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Old 01-02-2020, 07:36 AM
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I have spent the last few months looking at potential alternatives to my current set up (Listed Below), having watched the BRS Video and an article in PFK, I have decided to go with ZEOvit, well, thats my intention, however, not sure my set up warrants it ?

1. Gross water volume of your complete system (incl. sump etc.) - US gallons / UK gallons / liter - 250 Ltr
2. Net water volume (incl. sump etc.) - US gallons / UK gallons / liter - 210 Ltr
3. Are you using a CaCO2 reactor or other technique - No
4. Are you using a PO4 reactor (how long, how long ago, etc.) Phosban Reactor running Rowaphos, running for 8 weeks
5. Are you using Ozone - No
6. Are you using UV - No
7. What skimmer are you using (type, rated water volume) Deltec 1000i
8. What are your actual PO4 0.04 and NO3 levels 20ppm
9. What are your actual Ca 450 Alk 7.7 and Mg levels 1290
10. What filtration method do you use (refugium, DSB, Miracle Mud, etc.)
11. Type of light (Watt, color temp, how old, etc.) Giesemann Stellar Hybrid ATI T5's 3 Blue Plus and 1 Purple Plus
12. What corals do you keep - Stylophora, Goniopora, Torch, Various Cloves, Acropora, Various Zoa's, Montipora, Mushrooms, Duncans
13. Tissue color (light or dark) Light
14. How long has the tank been running - 3 Years
15. Why do you want to use the ZEOvit system Looking for a tried and tested method for long term success with SPS, the fact that there is a dedicated forum to the ZEOvit system is a real winner as likeminded people can share hints and tips of the system.
16. Any supplemental dosing (type, amount, why, etc.) NOPOX To try and reduce Nitrate Levels and have also read that it can aid with removal of Cyano
17. Live rock (how much, how old, etc.) Approx 15kg
18. Any present problems Cyano, albeit in isolated parts of the rock
19. Problem description (tissue loss tips, tissue loss base, diatom bloom, algae, etc.) Cyano removed as and when it appears, as I say, only appears in small amounts.
20. What test kit do you use (how old, recently switched, etc.)
Red Sea and Salifert
21. Present dosing, amounts and intervals (ZEOvit, ZEObak, ZEOfood, ZEOstart, ZEOspur2, etc.)
22. Other water parameters and water stability (salinity, temp, etc.)
Salinity 34, Temp 25.4
23. Which salt brand do you use - Red Sea Coral Pro

As I say, not sure my current set up warrants the system, however, would love to hear from any members who have a similar sized set up running the ZEOvit system.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 01-02-2020, 11:02 AM
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If a goal is to reduce nitrates (as you expressed in #16 above) than you may benefit from adding zeolites to your system. Zeolites can at the least, remove ammonia before it is turned into nitrites, therefore tuning into nitrates.
I have seen systems only use the zeolites but I believe it is recommended to also use zeobac, zeostart, and zeosponge at a minimum.
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Old 01-02-2020, 12:57 PM
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If a goal is to reduce nitrates (as you expressed in #16 above) than you may benefit from adding zeolites to your system. Zeolites can at the least, remove ammonia before it is turned into nitrites, therefore tuning into nitrates.
I have seen systems only use the zeolites but I believe it is recommended to also use zeobac, zeostart, and zeosponge at a minimum.


Thanks for the response, reduced nitrates is one of my goals, the main aim is to have a SPS dominated set up that actually grows corals. I have now managed to get myself a Vertex Zeo Reactor for a really good price 1.5 Ltr, next stage is knowing volumes for the media and the other additives.


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Old 01-03-2020, 03:03 AM
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Hi UncleFester

I would not see a problem to convert your system to ZeoVit but it should be done slowly. I would recommend you to start as follows:

1. Place 0.5 liter zeovit in a Zeo Reactor. Water flow around 200 liters per hour. Connect the reactor pump to a clock timer and run the reactor pump with a 3 hour on / 3 hour off / 3 hour on interval. Please make sure the zeolite is not exposed to air while the pump is switched off. Clean the material daily. Leave the zeolite 4 weeks in the filter until you do the first change out. This is the first changing interval, others could be lengthen to 6 – 8 weeks.

2. Place 0.2 liters activated carbon in a filter sock and keep it in a passive water flow in your sump, changed every 30 days. Knead the carbon daily to keep the surface clean. Most users get perfect results with korallenzucht carbon.

3. Dose 2 drops ZeoBac daily for the first 2 weeks, flowed by a 2 – 3 x weekly dosage of 2 drops. Dose 0.2 ml ZeoStart 2 x daily (morning & evening). Dose those in front of the Zeo reactor pump while it is switched on.

Later on you could use the additional products for coral coloration. Adjust your skimmer to skim wet, keeping it clean to export as much as possible. Do a weekly water change of 5 – 10 % with a good salt.

With the system it is not recommended to use a PO4 absorber. I would recommend to remove 1/3 of the absorber if you start with zeovit, than reduce the rest over the next 6 – 8 weeks step by step to zero. If this is done keep a eye on the PO4 level which should not increase. Do it simmilar with the Nopox, reduce it to 50% when you start ZeoVit, than reduce the addition slowly step by step over the next 6 weeks to zero.

Basic water parameters looking good, try to keep them as stabile as possible close the NSW in the following ranges:

KH 6.5 – 7.5
Ca 400 – 420 mg
Mg 1250 – 1300 mg
K+ ~ 380 mg

For a nutrient poor environment K+ (potassium) seems to be a important element. I would recommend you to get a test kit for this element also, posting your results.

This is a start-up dosage which might have to be adjusted later.

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Old 01-03-2020, 09:34 AM
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Hi UncleFester

I would not see a problem to convert your system to ZeoVit but it should be done slowly. I would recommend you to start as follows:

1. Place 0.5 liter zeovit in a Zeo Reactor. Water flow around 200 liters per hour. Connect the reactor pump to a clock timer and run the reactor pump with a 3 hour on / 3 hour off / 3 hour on interval. Please make sure the zeolite is not exposed to air while the pump is switched off. Clean the material daily. Leave the zeolite 4 weeks in the filter until you do the first change out. This is the first changing interval, others could be lengthen to 6 8 weeks.

2. Place 0.2 liters activated carbon in a filter sock and keep it in a passive water flow in your sump, changed every 30 days. Knead the carbon daily to keep the surface clean. Most users get perfect results with korallenzucht carbon.

3. Dose 2 drops ZeoBac daily for the first 2 weeks, flowed by a 2 3 x weekly dosage of 2 drops. Dose 0.2 ml ZeoStart 2 x daily (morning & evening). Dose those in front of the Zeo reactor pump while it is switched on.

Later on you could use the additional products for coral coloration. Adjust your skimmer to skim wet, keeping it clean to export as much as possible. Do a weekly water change of 5 10 % with a good salt.

With the system it is not recommended to use a PO4 absorber. I would recommend to remove 1/3 of the absorber if you start with zeovit, than reduce the rest over the next 6 8 weeks step by step to zero. If this is done keep a eye on the PO4 level which should not increase. Do it simmilar with the Nopox, reduce it to 50% when you start ZeoVit, than reduce the addition slowly step by step over the next 6 weeks to zero.

Basic water parameters looking good, try to keep them as stabile as possible close the NSW in the following ranges:

KH 6.5 7.5
Ca 400 420 mg
Mg 1250 1300 mg
K+ ~ 380 mg

For a nutrient poor environment K+ (potassium) seems to be a important element. I would recommend you to get a test kit for this element also, posting your results.

This is a start-up dosage which might have to be adjusted later.

G.Alexander
Thanks G.Alexander, my intention is to start this at some point next week, I will post results once I have the system set up, thanks again for the support.
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Old 01-06-2020, 05:07 AM
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Hi UncleFester

I would not see a problem to convert your system to ZeoVit but it should be done slowly. I would recommend you to start as follows:

1. Place 0.5 liter zeovit in a Zeo Reactor. Water flow around 200 liters per hour. Connect the reactor pump to a clock timer and run the reactor pump with a 3 hour on / 3 hour off / 3 hour on interval. Please make sure the zeolite is not exposed to air while the pump is switched off. Clean the material daily. Leave the zeolite 4 weeks in the filter until you do the first change out. This is the first changing interval, others could be lengthen to 6 8 weeks.

2. Place 0.2 liters activated carbon in a filter sock and keep it in a passive water flow in your sump, changed every 30 days. Knead the carbon daily to keep the surface clean. Most users get perfect results with korallenzucht carbon.

3. Dose 2 drops ZeoBac daily for the first 2 weeks, flowed by a 2 3 x weekly dosage of 2 drops. Dose 0.2 ml ZeoStart 2 x daily (morning & evening). Dose those in front of the Zeo reactor pump while it is switched on.

Later on you could use the additional products for coral coloration. Adjust your skimmer to skim wet, keeping it clean to export as much as possible. Do a weekly water change of 5 10 % with a good salt.

With the system it is not recommended to use a PO4 absorber. I would recommend to remove 1/3 of the absorber if you start with zeovit, than reduce the rest over the next 6 8 weeks step by step to zero. If this is done keep a eye on the PO4 level which should not increase. Do it simmilar with the Nopox, reduce it to 50% when you start ZeoVit, than reduce the addition slowly step by step over the next 6 weeks to zero.

Basic water parameters looking good, try to keep them as stabile as possible close the NSW in the following ranges:

KH 6.5 7.5
Ca 400 420 mg
Mg 1250 1300 mg
K+ ~ 380 mg

For a nutrient poor environment K+ (potassium) seems to be a important element. I would recommend you to get a test kit for this element also, posting your results.

This is a start-up dosage which might have to be adjusted later.

G.Alexander
I should have all the relevant Zeo products this week, with an aim to commence by the end of this week, latest weekend, couple of questions for clarification;

1. I'm sure I have read that the Zeo Reactor should come after the Skimmer, please confirm.

2. My current Alk, Calc and Magnesium dosing is by way of Pharmaceutical grade salts along with Fauna Marin Balling Trace Light,123 which is incorporated within the salts, do you foresee any issues.

3. The Reactor intervals being suggested, is there an alternative as I would much prefer to run the reactor on a more permanent basis as the stop start element based on prior experience will have a detrimental impact on the pump.

4. Salt, my current manufacturer is Red Sea Coral Pro, however, looking at the reduced Alk, Mag and Calc required for the Zeo System, im considering switching to either the standard Red Sea Salt or the Tropic Marin Pro range, what would you suggest.

Apologies for all the questions, however, as this will be my long term solution moving forward I want to make sure that I have the correct foundations for long term success.

Thanks in advance of your support.
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Old 01-06-2020, 05:28 AM
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Hello, here are some of my thoughts

1. Yes, basically after skimmer

2.The current doses of Alk, Calc and Magnesium are medicinal grade, basically no problem, calcium reactor is also a good choice

3. I think every 3hr interval is OK, unless the interval is very frequent and fast. And this transition period will not be too long.
In fact, you don't have to worry too much. After all, the motor itself is a consumable. If the motor is damaged in this condition, I think it is a defective product.

4. If it is me, I choose to use a salt mixture that is replaced by 5-10% every week, or some people use the salt mixture together, but I have not done so.
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As Jacky said the reactor should be placed behind the skimmer. The mulm which is released from the reactor is a excellent food source for corals so it should not be skimmed out immediately.

If you supplement water parameters like Ca, Mg and KH chemicals which are pure should be used so they should not contain to much additional trace elements. Dosing additional trace elements like recommended with the Balling Method should also not be used.

The 3 hour on / off interval for the reactor should be used if a already running system is converted to ZeoVit. This does speed down the changes a little bit. Usually after the 6 weeks have passed in if corals are doing fine you can switch the reactor to continuous flow.

If corals are growing well Ca and KH is consumed relative quick so if the salt has a little bit higher levels will not cause issues, you just need to adjust supplementing those elements to keep them within the recommended ranges.

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Old 01-07-2020, 12:50 PM
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Thanks to you both, I will make up a new batch of Alk and Calc without the addition of the other elements.

Will proceed as directed and up-date regularly, all being well should be looking to start this weekend latest.

Thanks again for the support


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Old 01-07-2020, 04:38 PM
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One thing I forgot to mention, I currently utilise an Auto Water Changer which changes approx 20 Litres, is this to much or could I push the water change to say every 10/14 days ?

Thanks in advance of your support.


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Change the water 5-10% every week.

2. Water purification (including water tanks, etc.)-US gallons / imperial gallons / liter-210 liters.

About 10 ~ 20 liters / weekly water change
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Old 01-14-2020, 08:18 AM
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Thank you, just dong my first water change of around 10%.

Appreciate that its still early days, Im now on day 5 and so far so good, will post parameters later this week.

Currently using ZeoBak, ZeoStart alongside the Zeo Media, what other products can be used and when would i be looking to introduce ?


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Old 01-14-2020, 09:35 AM
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This is a system conversion and should be completed slowly. Let's keep on the # 4 plan. The plan is very detailed. We need some time. Because animals already exist in the tank, doing so will allow the animals to get as many adaptations as possible, and to switch systems.
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Old 01-14-2020, 09:44 AM
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Thanks Jacky, kinda thought that would be the case and makes complete sense.


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Thanks Jacky, kinda thought that would be the case and makes complete sense.


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The system was switched and the reactor remained on / off for 3 hr. The zeolite was retained for the first 4 weeks. This is the first replacement interval. Zeo Bac x 10 days. After about 2 weeks, if the corals are healthy, switch the reactor to continuous flow.

[First 4 weeks + 2 weeks] = 6 weeks in total

During this conversion process, return Kh Ca Mg to the right track, a complete element, rather than with additional trace elements

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