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Old 05-14-2016, 06:51 AM
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Help with Zeovit system startup cycle.
This is my second attempt to launch Zeovit system.
The first was in November, half a year ago and failed. Half a year trying to reduce nitrites and nitrates with the help of local specialists of Zeovit system, but in the end nothing happened.
I changed my old 120 liter tank with 310 liter new one, I changed something from the equipment.
So:
1. Gross water volume of your complete system (incl. sump etc.) - US gallons / UK gallons / liter - 380 liter
2. Net water volume (incl. sump etc.) - US gallons / UK gallons / liter - 310 liter (200 tank +110 sump)
3. Are you using a CaCO2 reactor or other technique - No
4. Are you using a PO4 reactor (how long, how long ago, etc.) No
5. Are you using Ozone - No
6. Are you using UV - No
7. What skimmer are you using (type, rated water volume) - temporary Deltec MCE300 (up to 320 liter).
8. What are your actual PO4 and NO3 levels PO4 - 0, NO3 - 4 mg/l
9. What are your actual Ca, Alk and Mg levels - not tested yet
10. What filtration method do you use (refugium, DSB, Miracle Mud, etc.) - Zeovit
11. Type of light (Watt, color temp, how old, etc.)- 4 x T5 24w. 1-Korallen zucht Koral light, 1- korallen zucht Fuji, 2- ATI Blue plus
12. What corals do you keep - Only 2 corals right now from my old tank skolymia and dendrophylia. Started zeovit for SPS keeping.
13. Tissue color (light or dark) ---
14. How long has the tank been running - 11 days
15. Why do you want to use the ZEOvit system - SPS keeping
16. Any supplemental dosing (type, amount, why, etc.) ---
17. Live rock (how much, how old, etc.) 9.5 kg live rocks + 8 kg dry coral rocks.
18. Any present problems - nitrats and nitrits
19. Problem description (tissue loss tips, tissue loss base, diatom bloom, algae, etc.) - no visual problems
20. What test kit do you use (how old, recently switched, etc.) Hanna checker for phosphat testing and TM for NO2,NO3,Mg,Ca, Korallen zucht Kalium test.
21. Present dosing, amounts and intervals (ZEOvit, ZEObak, ZEOfood, ZEOstart, ZEOspur2, etc.) Dosig of 11 day of cycle Zeobak -12 drops, zeostart 1.5 ml x 2, zeofood 12 drops, SP - 5 drops
22. Other water parameters and water stability (salinity, temp, etc.) 1.0245
23. Which salt brand do you use - Korallen zucht

This is a table with all the start of dosing.

Date Zeo-B Zeo-S S. P. Zeo-F

03.05.16 15 ml 30 ml 9 ml
04.05.16
05.05.16
06.05.16
07.05.16 12d 7.5 ml x 2 10d
08.05.16 12d 7.5 ml x 2 10d
09.05.16 12d 7.5 ml x 2 10d
10.05.16 12d 1.5 ml x 2 12d
11.05.16 12d 1.5 ml x 2 12d
12.05.16 12d 1.5 ml x 2 12d
13.05.16 12d 1.5 ml x 2 5d 12d

On the 10th day according to a 14-day cycle is planted in the aquarium 1 sea urchin, 1- tridacna clam (12 cm), 1-Ophyura, 1-cerianthus and 8-10 turbo snails.
My guru of Zeovit system after the test said that all living creatures have to pull out, because the cycle is not finished yet. Phosphates -0, nitrite - 0.07 mg / l, nitrate - 4 mg /l . Animal I'll get today, but like good luck with Zeovit system in the second attempt. Did I do everything right?
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Old 05-14-2016, 11:02 PM
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If you have followed this guide:

http://www.zeovit.com/forums/showpos...60&postcount=7

and if you used good quality live rock in addition with a well balance salt things should be good.

I would recommend you to continue dosing from day 14 as follows:

ZeoBac – 3 drops 3 x weekly
ZeoStart – 0.3 ml 2 x daily
SpongePower – 3 drops daily

ZeoFood can be used later if necessary, at the moment I would recommend to skip dosing it.

The dendrophylia coral which is in the tank already is IMO not the best choice for such a new system, the coral needs additional food which will have a negative impact to the quality of the water especially while the biological processes still build up.

If the animals are showing normal reactions doing well I would just leave them in the tank (except the dendrophylia).

If the first 4 weeks have passed replace 50% of the zeovit material, in the meantime I would recommend to run 0.3 liters with a constant water flow of ~ 300 liters per hour in the reactor.

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Old 05-15-2016, 03:08 AM
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Thank you Alexander for the answer. I have a supplementary question.
As I understand it, reduce the dosage ZB, ZS and SP if the system is a low level of nutrients. If nitrite and nitrate levels will remain at a high level, you will also advise to reduce the dosage?
Regarding dendrophylia. I tacked it on the live rock in my previous tank, so that did not get opportunities but to break the rock.
Water with live rock in the tank was 10 days before the start of the cycle. All this time dendrophylia perfectly opened, which indicates that this is a very strong coral.
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Old 05-15-2016, 10:42 PM
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Yes, I would recommend to adjust the dosage at day 14, even if the NO3 level is not already zero., 4 mg is really not a issue. I have never measured for NO2.

If the coral is doing fine and if you do not need to feed it additional you can keep it, just wanted to prevent adding additional coral food at this early stage.

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Old 05-16-2016, 12:24 AM
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As I wrote, this is my second attempt to launch. The first was in November. SPS corals died (with LPS and other animals feel fine). Were Inflated levels of calcium and magnesium, 460 and 1500. And this level is not reduced due to lack of growth. KH level was stable 6-6.5. The main problem according to Zeovit specialists was available nitrite and nitrate 0.03 and 3 mg / l, which inhibit the growth of coral, particularly nitrite. For half a year trying different dosage of basic components and it did not help. One of the options, I took all my fishes to shop and exclude the receipt of all kinds of food in the system that did not help.
This is the main reason I bought a new aquarium and now very worried that the level of nutrients is still at a high level.
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Old 05-17-2016, 02:15 AM
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A NO3 level of 3 mg is for sure not the reason for the issues in the past, also the NO2 level of 0.03 mg should not cause any harm. I can not tell you what has caused the problems in your old system but neither NO2 or NO3 should be the reason.

Anyway, I would recommend to continue as planned observing the corals closely.

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Old 05-31-2016, 01:39 AM
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Hello everybody.
Today is exactly 4 weeks, I started to run the cycle (will change zeolites). Aquarium 300 liters net was launched with 10 kg of live rock from the old system (rocks 4 months old and they were in zeovit system with zero-phosphate) were added to 10 kg of dry but quality rocks from Indonesia.
At the end of the first week of cycle, dry white stones covered with a slight touch of greenery, which disappeared at the end of the second week of the launch.
After the 2nd week, on the advice of Alexander, it was reduced to the recommended dosing (3 drops/3 time at week,sponge power-3 drops daily and zeostart 0,3 ml daily, 0.15 in the morning and 0,15 in the evening) . Now the level of phosphate is 0, nitrite decreased to 0.02, and nitrate, to a level of 2 mg / l. After reducing the dosage level, fresh stones covered with greenish-brown vegetation (live rocks from the old system are covered with Caroline without any vegetation ). Our main expert of korallen-zucht system (dealer) is not recommended to insert any living creatures in the aquarium until nitrite and nitrate will not fall to zero, which means that zeovit system works as it should. All the living creatures that I have run into the tank after the 2nd week I immediately pulled out from tank (tridacna, turbo-snails, sea urchin and Ophiura) on his recommendation.
How in your opinion, to wait until the zero nitrite-nitrate, or I can put the animals in an tank?
Thank you in advance.
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Old 05-31-2016, 10:17 PM
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If the KH, Ca, Mg and K+ level is within the recommended ranges I would not see a problem to add a test coral now. From your description I do not see a problem.

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Old 06-13-2016, 05:28 AM
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Hello everybody.
Finally, in the last week all nutrients went to zero.
Tests show the following:
PO4 - 0 (Hanna checker)
NO2 - 0 (Tropic marine)
NO3 <1 (Tropic marine)
Salinity - 1.0245
KH - 6.5 (Tropic marine)
Ca - 470 (Tropic marine)
Mg - 1500 (Tropic marine)
In addition to Ca and Mg everything else is normal.
Acquired first SPS corals:
Acropora humilis, acropora millepora (pink), acropora florida, acropora echinata, montipora digitata (blue) and Montipora sheet red.
I understand correctly, to reduce Ca and Mg is necessary to achieve the growth of corals, which use these elements?
And worried about the presence of brown vegetation on the rocks, and the rear window. This is normal, or put a sea urchin or more turbo snails to clean?
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The levels of Ca and Mg will come down over the time, just let them drop and make sure your salinity measurement is correct.

Those are the ideal ranges for the basic water parameters:

KH 6.5 – 7.5
Ca 400 – 420 mg
Mg 1250 – 1300 mg
K+ ~ 380 mg

Some brown algae while the cycle are normal, I would not worry much about them if they do not increase. Some herbivore like snails should be helpful to get rid of them soon.

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Old 06-14-2016, 03:49 AM
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Alexander, thanks for the reply and continued assistance.
When should I start to do a water change? Typically, the water is changed to compensate for the elements. Does this mean that as long as the values of calcium and magnesium will not drop to normal values, water change should not do?
With the addition of the first corals, I began to add Amino Acid SPS and Coral Vitalizer,each 3 drops daily . This is a normal dosing?
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Usually it works well to do 10% water changes weekly after the first 4 – 6 weeks have passed. The water changes do add consumed / removed / accumulated elements in a balanced way, it has not much to do with the basic water parameters. KH and Ca are consumed much more if the corals growing well then you can add with the water changes. It is more related to the trace elements.

Lets change the dosage of AAHC and XTra as follows:

AAHC – 3 drops 2 x weekly
XTra – 2 ml 2 x weekly

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Hello to all forum members.
So, after almost half a year after my last start failures haunt me and all the corals, which I bought, despite the almost perfect water conditions, died after 4-5 weeks of purchase.
Neither I nor the other periphery with whom I talk, and do not understand why this happened. There were several opinions, and in the end I decided to make some changes in my tank.
1. bought another one fixture for 4 lamp T5 (total will be 8). In the coming days will arrive from posting korallen-zucht with lamps, and I will replace all my bulbs (a year old). I decided to put a 1-14K white, 1- fuji purple and 6 - blue. everything from korallen-zucht.
2. In the same premise comes from the skimmer korallen-zucht.
3. Replace all live rocks in the tank, because It was one of the suspicion that they may be the problem.
4. The most important thing, and then I have a serious question. It is possible that this was a mistake.
I stand 2 pumps MP-10 from Ecotech. They work in "Reef-crest" mode master-slave. Each pump produces 6000 liters per hour.
Mode "Reef-crest" is when the first pump begins with 100% and 0% with the second. In the first 5-10 minutes, gradually reduced to 0%, and the second parallel rises from 0 to 100% and back.
In my opinion the current force constantly is 6000 liters per hour. So I was exposed. According to other periphery, it is necessary to sum up the flow, ie, I had 12,000 liters per hour. Then maybe coral died because of my mistake, and the aquarium was a very strong current?
Help with this dilemma.
To date, the new stones are glued together, and stand in the tank over and skimmer that removes the dead organic way.
At the end of the week I will start cycle.
Thank you in advance.
Nick.
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Old 02-01-2018, 03:07 AM
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Hello everybody.
Two years after the first launch of its zeovit system, it seems like just now everything began to improve.
In the summer, one of the guys who also had problems with zeovit was in Germany and drove to Korallen-zucht, where he was told our main mistake. The instructions on zeovit on the Korallen-zucht website noted the importance of running the system on live rocks, but it's a pity that it was not noticed that live rocks are not from nature, but from a system that works with zeovit, for example, from Korallen-zucht itself.
And he and I immediately carried out the procedure of "killing" stones, i.e. an hour in hydrochloric acid and a day in bleach and both almost simultaneously started the start-up cycle. This time the whole cycle went exactly according to the instructions, only not 2 weeks, but a little longer.
The first corals were planted a month ago and it seems that this time everything will be better, because their growth is visible.
Parameters for today
PO4 - 0
NO2 - 0
NO3 - 0
Salinity - 1.0245
KH - 6.8
Calcium - 460
Magnesium 1320
Kalium - not yet measured
The only thing that so far confuses the weak detection of polyps.
Only one of the two Acropora Millepora is well disclosed.
Maybe thetank is not yet fully ripe and the corals have not yet acclimatized?
Thank you.
Nick
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Old 02-01-2018, 03:21 AM
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I forgot to recall my system:
The main tank is 220 liters 65X65X65 sm
Sump - 80 liters
Light T5 all the lamps Korallenzucht (5 - blue, 2 - white 14K, 1- fuji purple)
Skimmer - Korallenzucht
Reactor - Korallenzucht
Wave pumps - 2 X Ecotech MP10
Auto-fill system - Tunze
One of the MP10 pumps controller has failed, and I temporarily, until a new one comes, use only one pump. Its output power is 6000 l / h. It works at maximum speed. Is the flow too strong for 220 liters?
Thank you in advance.
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