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Old 12-12-2019, 03:32 PM
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Hi people. First some info about tank. Tank was start 1. October.
1. Gross water volume of your complete system (incl. sump etc.) - US gallons / UK gallons / liter - 530l
2. Net water volume (incl. sump etc.) - US gallons / UK gallons / liter - aprox 500l
3. Are you using a CaCO2 reactor or other technique - not yet
4. Are you using a PO4 reactor (how long, how long ago, etc.)-no
5. Are you using Ozone-no
6. Are you using UV-no
7. What skimmer are you using (type, rated water volume)- nyos quantum 160
8. What are your actual PO4 and NO3 levels - 0.13 and 10mg/l
9. What are your actual Ca, Alk and Mg levels - 490, 8,7, 1500
10. What filtration method do you use (refugium, DSB, Miracle Mud, etc.)- Clarisea sk 3000 and KZ zeo reactor M
11. Type of light (Watt, color temp, how old, etc.)- kessil a360we
12. What corals do you keep
13. Tissue color (light or dark)
14. How long has the tank been running
15. Why do you want to use the ZEOvit system
16. Any supplemental dosing (type, amount, why, etc.)- zeobak, zeostart
17. Live rock (how much, how old, etc.)-
18. Any present problems
19. Problem description (tissue loss tips, tissue loss base, diatom bloom, algae, etc.)
20. What test kit do you use (how old, recently switched, etc.)- salifert, redsea, hanna
21. Present dosing, amounts and intervals (ZEOvit, ZEObak, ZEOfood, ZEOstart, ZEOspur2, etc.)
22. Other water parameters and water stability (salinity, temp, etc.)salinity 35ppt, 25 degrees C
23. Which salt brand do you use - tropic marin pro reef, aquaforest reef salt

I have problems with no3 and po4. It cant drop to normal levels. I am using 1.75-2L of zeovit with 600l/h flow and half liter of Carbon in reactor. I was dosing 1ml of zeostart, nothing happened, now I am trying 1.5ml of zeostart daily, in 5 doses from 7am to 6pm. Zeobak every other day 5 drops - But nothing decreasing. I dont know what is happening. I cant understand it.
Also some brown algae is on The bottom...
I am feeding only with dry food, 2-3 times a day. I also try stop dosing for one week and it was + - the same. Po4 around 0.12 and no3 10mg/l. No changes.
Really waiting for some help. I dont know what to do.
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Old 12-12-2019, 09:12 PM
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Hello babajaga, welcome to ZeoVit.com

In the sump, what is the filtering method? Some materials seem to leach out nutrients.(Is there a clear picture about the sump? Thank you)

Zeo Foundation, Zeo Bac/ Start/Sponge Power
Zeo Bac 5 drops 2-3 times a week
Zeo Start 0.5ml x2, every morning and night
Zeo Sponge Power 5 drops every other day

The first ZeoVit material is retained in the first 4 weeks, and the next replacement interval is 6 weeks. After each material replacement, Zeo Bac x 10 days. Not sure if you have changed materials. It looks like the reactor flow is already in a continuous flow state, which does help reduce nutritional levels. I don't know how you can confirm the hourly flow, usually-use a container, collect the water for 30 seconds, the volume is x120, so you can get the hourly flow.

Led lighting, I have no practical experience, I don't know if the number of LEDs is insufficient / and the spectrum is balanced. Lighting that is usually close to the natural sun balance is good, which also seems to help reduce nutritional levels.

Sand, what kind of sand was it originally? Is there more information about it?

The Kh Ca Mg level seems to be a little higher for the Zeo system. 1. What is the way to increase the level? 2. What monitoring tools are used for salinity?
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Old 12-13-2019, 02:41 AM
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Hi, Thanks for reply.
In The sump is Clarisea sk 3000 - skimmer - LIVE rock - zeovit reactor - Carbon reactor - return pump. Later I add a photo. Now I am in work....
Ok, I reduce The dosing as your advice. Is enough to split The dose of zeostart in 2 times? In The night you mean after lights off?
I made first change of zeovit after 4 weeks and second change was at 1. Dec , also Carbon. Yes, reactor is in continuous flow, I have The flow meter on inlet to reactor.
For now I have two of Kessil a360we, I think spectrum is Okay.
In The bottom is aragonite, not sand, from local store.
The high levels of ca and Mg I have since from start. I dont know, If I have bad luck for The bucket of salt.
I monitor salinity with grotech densitometer.
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Old 12-13-2019, 02:54 AM
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I have additional a couple of questions:

Does the whole system contain live rock or just the sump ?
Do you had high nutrients since the beginning or have they slowly increased ?
Are there fish in the system already, if yes how many do you keep ?
What is your personal feeling where the elevated nutrients are coming from ?
Have you measured the flow through the reactor to make sure those are really 600 liters per hour ?

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Old 12-13-2019, 03:08 AM
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LIVE rock was add only in sump when start.
When tank was empty, I did not make measurements, first I make after 3-4 weeks. There was not so high nutrients, except ca, KH and Mg - these was high from start.
In The system is 10 fish.
The dry rock I was bleeching and cleaning.
Yes I have The flow meter, firstly I have 8l pre minute - 480l/hour. Now I am increase The flow to 600l/h
My personal feeling where the nutrients coming from? Rocks? Aragonite on The bottom? But I had bleech it and clean. Not enough?
I dont know...
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Old 12-13-2019, 03:35 AM
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I personally feel that I have not used this type of flow meter experience. If NO3 is 10mg / l is correct, then I think the ZeoVit material is working normally. If the coral is healthy, maybe try to increase the reactor outlet flow slightly. Of course, assuming that Other sources of nutrition.

1. Is the flowmeter calibrated? 2. Is there a chance to collect the water flow at the outlet and the flowmeter and cross-check with each other?

Yes, if you can, Zeo Start 0.5ml x2, the lighting on and off status has no effect, don't worry.
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Old 12-13-2019, 03:53 AM
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Okay I Can collect water from outlet and make Cross check If it is correct.
Lps corals are okay, SPS - montiporas okay, two acroporas - They have not full polyp extension.
I decrease The dosing of zeostart and wait about a week? If there is some change?
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Old 12-13-2019, 04:44 AM
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It's good to try cross-comparison. I just want to clarify, correct / confirm / get the right traffic.

Without a complete polyp extension, it's hard to say why, "reducing nutrients first" is the first step,So what is the activated carbon brand? It is recommended that you use Zeo brand activated carbon.Certain carbon does inhibit the growth of corals, so let's correct this as soon as possible. (Using Zeo brand activated carbon),After replacing Zeo activated carbon, let's change the water to refresh the balance, and also import the correct salinity and the correct element level

It is a regular dose, Zeo Start 0.1ml = 25 US gal

Let's continue with the plan, keeping the Zeo base dose, Zeo Bac / Start / Sponge Power, and cross-comparison, while adjusting the skimmer wet and cleaning the collection cup to make it more moist. Salt + water 5 to 10% of water is changed every week.

For salt mixtures, I have no experience with this product. If there are no additional elemental additives, the level seems to be on the high side. It may be good to obtain a different (corrected) more accurate salinity meter. Then maybe it ’s just the difference in measurement.

Zeo system parameters suggest to maintain NSW level
Kh 6.5~7.5
Ca 400~420
Mg 1250~1300
K+~ 380-400

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Old 12-13-2019, 05:31 AM
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Ok. Yes now its important to reduce The nutrients and stabilize The system.
I will replace The Carbon, Iam changing 50l of water every week.
Salinity its okay. I never had problem with It- try make measure with something other...
For salinity Iam using: https://grotech-shop.de/Precision-hy...uring-cylinder
Skimmer is now running on wet skim.
I now that that levels of ca, Mg and kh is on The high level, its hard to drop it down because there is no consumption by The corals... everytime when I change water The levels are The same. I had to find some salt with low levels.what kind of salt do you use?

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Old 12-13-2019, 07:15 AM
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Thank you, I read the web site, this mechanical type may not be suitable, it is recommended to use a higher precision salinity agent

The amount of Zeo activated carbon is 0.5 ~ 1 liter per 1000 liters of water. Use a net bag, place in sump, passively fly, and replace every 30 days.

I use a salt mix brand, such as an image attachment

About Kh Ca Mg, what test pack do you use?

Quickly let us get our problems back on track


Can you give us more clear pictures about the sump and the main display system so that we can help more.
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Old 12-13-2019, 11:57 AM
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I think there is better have carbon in a reactor with Nice slow flow 150-200l/h. Sometimes Shake with it like with zeovit.
For ca, Mg, kh I use salifert tests.
Right now are po4 - 0.10mg/l, we will see tomorrow.
I try remove The carbon and tomorrow I will test po4 again, If there will Be some decrease of po4, then probably The carbon is releasing some phospates to my system.
Also made some cross check test with The flow through The zeovit and its correct- 600l/h
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Old 12-13-2019, 11:21 PM
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Thank you for the additional details, I think the elevated nutrients are just a result of to early addition of fish, the dry rock or / and the sand may also play a role. At the time you added the fish there was still a leak of biology as you have used dry rock so the nutrients produced by the fish where just not processed effective. Anyways nutrients are elevated but not really high. They should come down over the time slowly. Lets additional to Jackies recommendations feed the fish just once or twice per day if those are not the kind of fish which need food more often like Anthias.

My recommendation to continue dosing is:

5 drops ZeoBac every other day
0.5 ml ZeoStart 2 x daily
5 drops SpongePower every other day
10 drops BioMate every other day (optional is it might speed up the process to decrease PO4)

Replace the ZeoVit material every 6 weeks and the carbon every 4 weeks.

If you do not use korallenzucht carbon soak some of the fresh carbon in RO water for one hour, then check the PO4 level of the water to see of the carbon does leach PO4.

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Old 12-14-2019, 02:55 AM
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Thanks for your opinion. I will by dosing like you said.
I have everything except The biomate. I try find it.
I have also Coral show. Shoud I dose it?
I am soaking carbon from Yesterday in small glass. I try measure po4 in it.
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Old 12-14-2019, 04:34 AM
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Yes
Zeo Coral Snow 5ml, twice a week.
Also adjust the skimmer wet to make it more outlet.
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Old 12-14-2019, 06:52 AM
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Yes, right now I changed 50l water, skimmer is on The wet skim, almost every two days is full cup.
Whats your prognosis?
First shoud go down The po4 and then no3, or simultaneously?

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