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Old 01-16-2018, 06:41 PM
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Default Dinoflagellate sharing thread

Hello all,
I would like to propose a thread where we aggregate our experience and potential solutions for fighting Dinoflagellate. Can we do that as a community? There are so many pages that involves struggles with Dino, many of them do not have conclusion. Would be helpful to us as a community members to pull all our knowledge and experience together in a page any member can refer to whenever they face Dino given how common it is in Zeovit system.
I think part of the difficulties zeovit members have tough times dealing with dino is that zeovit do not play well with Cyano and Dino treatments as they can wipe out the zeo bacteria.
That being said there are some ways around that, one I have learned from Wesley (thanks to his help) is cyano treatment using chemi clean but before the treatment I removed my stones and had them in aeriated bucket then put them back after the treatment and water change. This method worked well with me without impacting my tank balance. Moral of the story here, experience and information’s sharing matter in this hobby
So, lets put our minds together and see if we can find some useful path to beat Dino in our zeo systems
Before we start lets put 3 base assumptions:
- We will assume that the problem is confirmed as dino not other algae. This involves couple of methods the most accurate one is a microscope test for a water sample to confirm the Dino strain.
- The infected system is ZeoVit based system (basic 4 elements used in the system)
- This thread is to share experience of what worked and did not work. there is value in learning about what does not work or have negative impact on the tank.

Please help your fellow reefers by posting and sharing…
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Old 01-16-2018, 06:48 PM
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BTW i think the areas that the reefer need help the most when it comes to Dino (besides the identification topic) are:
1- Causes of Dino
2- potential treatments for Dino
3- Dino impact on the system (example snails die if it eat the stuff)
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I did two day blackouts a numbers of times 4 to rid my tank of it
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Old 01-16-2018, 08:43 PM
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I did two day blackouts a numbers of times 4 to rid my tank of it
Did you change any of your dosing during blackouts?
Whats the time between blackouts?
Do you have an idea of the cause of your Dino?
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Old 01-16-2018, 08:53 PM
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Zeo does have a cyno treatment. Snow and cyno drops. You mix the two together and let it sit 5 minuets.


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Old 01-16-2018, 08:57 PM
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Zeo does have a cyno treatment. Snow and cyno drops. You mix the two together and let it sit 5 minuets.


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Well you can see many many users reporting this did jot work myself includes. Only when i used chemiclean i managed to cure cyano...
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Old 01-16-2018, 09:00 PM
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Lovely. Odd they have two products designed for this and **** does not work.....


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Lovely. Odd they have two products designed for this and **** does not work.....


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The mixture is recommended for cyanos, dinos are one complete different thing.

Cyanos are bacteria, Dinos are protozoan.

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Old 01-17-2018, 05:33 AM
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The above was talking about cyano which is my response for. Agree about the Dino being different


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Old 01-17-2018, 11:16 AM
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The mixture is recommended for cyanos, dinos are one complete different thing.

Cyanos are bacteria, Dinos are protozoan.

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Agreed alex,
Any experience you would like to share regarding Dino?
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Old 01-17-2018, 12:46 PM
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You can continue dosing the thing is once the tank is infested the dino will return after time no matter what. Your only really beating them back. It might be a full year before doing another blackout. On the reef there are cloudy days that mimic blackouts
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Old 01-17-2018, 01:26 PM
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Default Identification using microscope:

some infromations I gathered that I think can be helpful as well:

Dino under microscope:
pic Dino1
Pic Dino2

Also some good vid of how they look like here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G0f9tpRN3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl0I-LKTm-s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIFyOMpGe50

Cyanobacteria under microscope
Pic Cyano1
Pic Cyano2
also there are some very good pictures in this link for Cyano ID
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2002/5/aafeature
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Old 01-17-2018, 01:27 PM
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Default Possible Identification without Microscope:

I got this from a R2R post

To identify dinoflagellates you'll need to siphon some algae into a container preferably with a lid or cap. After filling up the container shake the water up vigorously to break up the algae. Then filter the water through a paper towel or filter sock, the water should be rather clear. Leave the water exposed to ambient light in this container for 30-120 minutes. In my experience dinoflagellate algae will be the only type that aggregates back together quickly in the container

Dinoflagellates will disperse in the container completely after being shaken and will pass through the filter almost completely with only detritus remaining in the filter. Once the filtered water has been left sitting in ambient light for about an hour they will organize back together into their typical slimy appearance. Dinos seem to be the most neutrally buoyant of the three.

Cyanobacteria will typically stay matted together even after shaking the capped container vigorously with lots of small bits resembling torn paper. Most of the algae will be caught in the filter with the detritus but the filtered water will still be discolored. The algae will not organize back into colonies after an hour. The water tends to stay brown but sometimes the cyano settles on the bottom of the container. Cyano seems to be close to neutrally buoyant most of the time.

Diatoms will disperse much more than cyano when shaken vigorously into a brownish tint but sometimes tiny bits stay together like the cyano. Much more of the diatoms will pass the filter compared to the cyano. The diatoms will not reorganize after the filter and they tend to be more negatively buoyant than the cyano or dinos so they settle on the bottom of the container faster.
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Old 01-17-2018, 01:28 PM
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You can continue dosing the thing is once the tank is infested the dino will return after time no matter what. Your only really beating them back. It might be a full year before doing another blackout. On the reef there are cloudy days that mimic blackouts
thank you for sharing, very helpful
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Old 01-17-2018, 03:08 PM
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I battled dinos in my first zeo tank by daily 10%water changes and syphon sand upped dose of zeo bac.a lot of hard work but I paid of,I believe by reduce the amount of Dino in tank the zeo bak eventually out competes the dino


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