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Old 02-04-2019, 03:39 PM
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Can I start with zeostart and zeebak to bring the phosphate and nitrate down without using the rest of the zeo stuff?

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Old 02-05-2019, 12:54 AM
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Yes, for example, not in violation of the Zeo system, skimmer, more frequent replacement of filter socks. Usually NO3 is not a problem, but PO4 may require some means of approach, suggesting a basic balanced approach [ (Kz base products Zeo bac, sp, start3, ZeoVit, Zeo activated carbon)
A low-nutrition system designed to achieve equilibrium and stability over the long term.]

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Old 02-05-2019, 01:15 AM
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I forgot to post my ipv results. Here is the link
https://lab.atiaquaristik.com/publicAnalysis/34356

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If you corals do show TN already additional changes like switching to Zeovit will just stress them additional. I would recommend to first fix this problem. I can not see anything problematic in the ICP Test so most levels are OK. Lets try to do some water changes with the new salt, 10% 2 x weekly for the next 2 weeks is what I would try first.

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If you corals do show TN already additional changes like switching to Zeovit will just stress them additional. I would recommend to first fix this problem. I can not see anything problematic in the ICP Test so most levels are OK. Lets try to do some water changes with the new salt, 10% 2 x weekly for the next 2 weeks is what I would try first.



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Ok, i would do that.
Need i dose zeobac en zeo start dit reduse mine no3 and po4?

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If you corals do show TN already additional changes like switching to Zeovit will just stress them additional. I would recommend to first fix this problem. I can not see anything problematic in the ICP Test so most levels are OK. Lets try to do some water changes with the new salt, 10% 2 x weekly for the next 2 weeks is what I would try first.



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Ok, i would do that.

Need i dose zeobac en zeo start to reduse mine no3 and po4? I need to get the much lower.


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Old 02-05-2019, 05:34 AM
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Sorry, I don't have a return line to view past and existing issues, I now know that you have a coral TN problem. As G.Alexander said, try to change the water, first solve the problem of coral TN, instead of always reducing nutrition, try to slow down the problem of coral TN.

Usually
Zeo Bac 1 drop / 100L / 25 US gallons x 2 a week
Zeo Start3 0.1ml x 2 Morning/Night = 100L = 25 US Gallons
This is a regular dose, no problem

Solving coral TN is exactly what needs attention now. Try to change the water and keep the element level as stable as possible.

Use precision instruments to check if the salinities on both sides (old and new) are the same

Coral TN tips or methods for many reasons, let us do this first, soothe the pressure of balanced corals
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If you corals do show TN already additional changes like switching to Zeovit will just stress them additional. I would recommend to first fix this problem. I can not see anything problematic in the ICP Test so most levels are OK. Lets try to do some water changes with the new salt, 10% 2 x weekly for the next 2 weeks is what I would try first.



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Okay, I'm going to do a water change twice a week of 10% for the next 2 weeks. I start with zeobak and zeostart what jacky says. 2x a week zeobak and 2x a day zeostart for no3 and po4 take down. With zeolite I will wait. In addition, I hope to find out what the TN comes from and give the tank peace for stability.

Is this good?

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Sounds good, lets dose 3 drops ZeoBac daily for 10 days after each ZeoVit exchange, otherwise the same quantity 2 x weekly. ZeoStart is dosed @ 0.25 ml 2 x daily all the time. Give the system some time, it the PO4 level does not slowly decrease within the next 4 weeks you might additional try to dose 6 drops BioMate every other day for some time. Please also vacuum the sand to remove the sediment from the deeper sand layers while the regular water changes. Do not skim to dry, but clean the skimmer daily or every other day to export as much as possible.

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Sounds good, lets dose 3 drops ZeoBac daily for 10 days after each ZeoVit exchange, otherwise the same quantity 2 x weekly. ZeoStart is dosed @ 0.25 ml 2 x daily all the time. Give the system some time, it the PO4 level does not slowly decrease within the next 4 weeks you might additional try to dose 6 drops BioMate every other day for some time. Please also vacuum the sand to remove the sediment from the deeper sand layers while the regular water changes. Do not skim to dry, but clean the skimmer daily or every other day to export as much as possible.



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Okay, I'm going to get started with this. Just over the sand, I have a bare bottom so no sand. I have ATI white sand here which I will do. Is that possible already or do I have to wait with that? perhaps more bioload ...

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Old 02-06-2019, 12:38 PM
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If I understand the meaning, the sand is dry, soak them in Ro/di water and replace the water several times until there is no phosphorus reading. You can, 1/3 to 1/4 each week, until completion

Make sure the phosphorus test is 0, a small amount of sand for a few weeks, I think it has no effect, Biomate can do very well
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If I understand the meaning, the sand is dry, soak them in Ro/di water and replace the water several times until there is no phosphorus reading. You can, 1/3 to 1/4 each week, until completion

Make sure the phosphorus test is 0, a small amount of sand for a few weeks, I think it has no effect, Biomate can do very well
I mean to say that I have no sand in the tank now. Is it wise now to add sand in connection with my high po4 and no3 and that the corals are stressed. Or is it wise to create this for a good bioload?

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I mean to say that I have no sand in the tank now. Is it wise now to add sand in connection with my high po4 and no3 and that the corals are stressed. Or is it wise to create this for a good bioload?

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It is wise to add sand associated with my high po4 and no3, and it is wise to get pressure on the coral (this is certainly not right, so it is recommended that you soak the Ro water, change the water several times, until you can't measure the phosphorus, if I understand the mistake I am really sorry about your question.


I understand the meaning, I thought about it all at once.
The same way, until no phosphorus is detected

At this time, the NP is slightly higher, adding sand and not adding sand. I don't think it is a problem. According to G.Alexander's suggestion, it contains Zeo BioMate, and the weight of 1/2, 1/3 added sand is good. After all, I need to clean and maintain it, so I don't think it matters. And biology should be richer and more robust.

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Old 02-24-2019, 10:47 AM
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an update after 2 weeks. After dosing the zeostart, zeobak, sponge power and biomate, the phosphate is still 6 ppm phosphorus (0.018). The nitrate level still does not drop, is still 5. Yesterday I had 2 ppm but today suddenly again 5 ppm. I do not understand it. The corals are all dark and little to no polyp expansion. The last 2 weeks I changed 10% twice a week.I also added sand to the bottom for more bio load, and i still not use zeostones. The rest of the parameters are all reasonable to good. How to proceed now? maybe change something?


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Old 02-24-2019, 11:55 AM
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Have you followed G.'s suggestion to change the water and did the coral TN problem be solved? Can you provide more clear pictures of tanks and corals?
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