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cflow 08-23-2019 10:25 PM

Zeospur
 
Thinking about using zeospur for my zeovit /aquaforest frag system. I can't complain about my colors, but a little more of the pastel look would be great. I don't use zeolites, just bak and zs3. I use aquaforest 3 part for alk/ca/mineral replacement. My no3 settled at about 5-7, which I've found to work for me. PO4 is undetected. Would zeospur be safe in a frag tank in my semi zeo system?

G.Alexander 08-23-2019 11:50 PM

If PO4 is constant low (photometer or high sensitive test kit) and if corals are doing well (growth / polyp expansion) I would not see a problem using it bit keep in mind the product has a big potential and should not be overdosed.

To start I would recommend you to go as follows:

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It is possible with this product to influence the amount of zooxanthellae in the coral
tissue. The coral itself has more energy for growth because the zooxanthellae density
requires less energy. This is possible for acropora, anacropora and montipora. The
reduction of zooxanthellae in the outer layers brings out the colors of the coral from
deeper layers. ZEOspur2 is also able to influence colors. However, the primary color
shown will be the color right below the layer with the zooxanthellae. It is possible to
reduce the amount of zooxanthellae so much that the coral will not get enough energy
via photosynthesis. This condition can be maintained for a long period of time without
damage to the coral. However, our experiments have shown that continued
overdosing, and only under this condition, coral tissue will become thinner and thinner
and ultimately completely dissolve. We recommend dosing every 14 – 21 days. It is
important to apply the full dose all at once or there will no be any changes. The
reduction of zooxanthellae occurs within 48 hours and also reaches its highest point at
that time. The reaction and, therefore, the dosing amount are different from tank to
tank. We recommend starting at 50 % of the recommended amount to get a feel for the
product. Subsequently, you can increase the dosing amount, not the interval, by 10%
each time to find the perfect dosing amount. The maximum dosing amount is 1 ml per
25 gallons and should not be exceeded. We do not recommend the use of this product
during the initial starting phase of the ZEOvit® system. There is too much change and
your corals will not have enough time to adjust safely. We would like to mention at this
point that this product has the fastest and most drastic impact of the whole system. The
optimum dosing, in this case, is absolutely necessary in order not to damage your
corals.
All calculations are based on the net water volume of the system.

G.Alexander

cflow 08-24-2019 12:28 AM

Thanks. I might have to try it out

jacky 08-24-2019 02:09 AM

Do you use Zeo B-Balance? Before using Zeo Spur, it is also a good choice to consider BB. Slowly organize the lighting and the soft appearance of the coral.

cflow 08-24-2019 12:31 PM

I've used it before years ago. That's probably the safer route. I've used a balance too which seemed to cause my corals to lose their zooxanthellae as well. The corals definitely looked different but it was a nerve racking experience. Tissue was very thin within a day or two. Has anyone really experienced more growth by having corals with less zooxanthellae?

jacky 08-24-2019 12:59 PM

I don't have the experience of Spur, but I understand what it brings to the change of coral. BB and Spur are completely different products, but Spur is stronger and faster. Of course you can consider Spur, which requires special caution and it is very powerful. I also look forward to / excited you can give us a beautiful coral picture after spur:thumbsup::thumbsup:

G.Alexander 08-24-2019 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cflow (?? 345756)
Has anyone really experienced more growth by having corals with less zooxanthellae?

I can not say if corals with more zoox do grow faster, from my experience corals which are kept under optimal conditions with a “natural level of zoox” can really grow very quick.

G.Alexander

cflow 08-25-2019 11:09 AM

Ok thanks again. I think I'll try b balance first. I'm finding mixed information on initial dosing though. From korallen-zucht it says 50-100mls per 25 gallons of tank water. My retailer says just 1ml/25 gallons daily and not to exceed. So is the initial dose needed?

G.Alexander 08-26-2019 04:14 AM

I would recommend to dose B-Balance @ 1 ml / 25 US gallons 2 x weekly, never used the high initial dosage.

G.Alexander

cflow 08-26-2019 04:13 PM

Got it. Thanks again. I'll make some updates. I do have a hot pink stylo, pocillopora, and birdsnest that'll hopefully get a brighter color with the b balance.

jacky 08-26-2019 07:25 PM

In addition, potassium levels have stabilized to 380 mg before, which may also be helpful for coral red and other colors.

cflow 08-27-2019 10:58 AM

My K is always about 380-400 due to my aquaforest component dosing. K is mixed in and dosed automatically with other elements. My concern about this is I don't know what is in b balance. All i know is it is supposed to cause more pink/red, which I know potassium also is responsible for. I hope I'm not overdosing K. Wil definitely be checking K as i go.

cflow 08-29-2019 07:40 PM

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My lfs happened to have some a balance today so i picked up a bottle. May try this as well. Hopefully i can post some pics.

cflow 08-29-2019 07:42 PM

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Orange passion tenuis

cflow 08-29-2019 07:44 PM

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A few tables. Hyacinthus, clathrata, cytherea


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