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Old 10-17-2018, 11:23 AM
g1h1k1 g1h1k1 ثeu
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Default hope to start new tank with zeovit

1. Gross water volume of your complete system (incl. sump etc.) 180 L
2. Net water volume (incl. sump etc.) 150 L
3. Are you using a CaCO2 reactor or other technique NO
4. Are you using a PO4 reactor (how long, how long ago, etc.) No
5. Are you using Ozone No
6. Are you using UV yes
7. What skimmer are you using (type, rated water volume) Nyos Quantum 120
8.What are your actual PO4 and NO3 levels not yet
9. What are your actual Ca, Alk and Mg levels not yet
10. What filtration method do you use (refugium, DSB, Miracle Mud, etc.)
- Refugium, Algae scrubber
11. Type of light (Watt, color temp, how old, etc.)
- 2 x Ati t5 24w, radion 15w g4
12. What corals do you keep Planning to keep SPS only
13. Tissue color (light or dark) not yet
14. How long has the tank been running not yet
15. Why do you want to use the ZEOvit system for stunning SPS
16. Any supplemental dosing (type, amount, why, etc.) not yet buying
17. Live rock (how much, how old, etc.) not yet but (maybe dead rock)
18. Any present problems not yet start
19. Problem description (tissue loss tips, tissue loss base, diatom bloom, algae, etc.) not yet
20. What test kit do you use - PO4/Alk: hanna checker, others: red sea
21. Present dosing, amounts and intervals (ZEOvit, ZEObak, ZEOfood, ZEOstart, ZEOspur2, etc.) not yet

23. Which salt brand do you use Red sea Pro

Hello I have a new 180L tank and want to start with zeovit system

hope to need your help.. how to start ~?? which product(zeovit) should i need??

thank you

ps, I don't have zeo reactor
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Old 10-17-2018, 02:31 PM
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Hello,Welcome to zeovit5

(FAQ) reading in the basic message, Korallenzucht's initial 14-day cycle

@UV- Yes A: Kz system is not recommended,
@17. Live rock (how much, how big, etc.) - Not yet (may be dead rock) A: It is recommended to use some live rock which is quite helpful for the establishment of biological tank .
@ 23. Which salt brand do you use - Red Sea Pro, A: It is recommended to choose low kh sea salt suitable for low malnutrition environments

KH 6.5 - 7.5
Ca 400 - 420 mg
Mg 1250 - 1300 mg
K + ~380 mg

For malnourished environments, K + (potassium) seems to be an important factor. I suggest you also get a test kit for this element and post your results.

Water can be collected from the reactor outlet for 30 seconds using a small container to easily measure flow. Multiply the amount of water by 120 and you will get the exact output per hour.

Now you can start adding ZEObak, ZEOstart and Sponge Power.

ZEObak: 5 ml per 100 liters / 25 US gallons
ZEOstart: 10 ml per 100 liters / 25 US gallons
Sponge powder: 3 ml per 100 liters / 25 US gallons

Day 2 and Day 3

Dosing a rest.

Day 4:

Recommended daily use of ZEObak, ZEOstart and Sponge Power per product label until day 14:

ZeoBac 1 drop / 100 liters / 25 US gallons
Sponge powder 1 drop / 100 liters / 25 US gallons
ZeoStart 0.1 ml / 100 liters / 25 US gallons 2 x daily

Day 4-10:

Different algae stages can occur, such as some brown mucoal algae, followed by some healthy green algae. The same dose as described on day 4 above was used. Check the salinity carefully.

Day 10:

The first herbivore fish (up to 2 per 200 liters) can be added, as well as sea urchins and turbine snails. You should also be able to add the first insensitive coral, such as the branch Montipora. Add activated carbon now.

Activated carbon:
Once the first batch of animals is placed in the system, add activated carbon as recommended: 0.5-1 liter per 1000 liters. Replacement intervals are 30 days.

Day 11-14

The dose stated on day 4 was maintained. Carefully test carbonate hardness and salinity. If the basic water parameters are within the recommended range, more corals can now be added to the system. Additional fish can be added but should be very slow. At this stage, fish feeding must also be carried out with great care because the biology is not very stable at this stage. Do not add more than 1-2 fish per week to 250 liters per week. After another 4 weeks, you can add the remaining fish, which are planned systems.

Starting on day 14:

ZeoBac 1 drop / 100 liters / 25 US gallons 2-3 times a week
Sponge powder 1 drop / 100 liters / 25 US gallons
ZeoStart 0.1 ml / 100 liters / 25 US gallons 2 x daily

Start with reducing nutrition, let's wait for G.Alexander to give us the application of dose and zeolite.

Last edited by jacky; 10-17-2018 at 02:45 PM.
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Old 10-17-2018, 06:31 PM
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Thank you for your answer

I have additional questions

1. which salt brand do you recommend?(low kh)

2. it doesn't matter not using zeo reactor?

3. if i can't find live rocks, how about real reef rocks?

4. I have a Refugium and Algae scrubber, it is also not recommended?

Thank you again
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Old 10-17-2018, 06:57 PM
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Try to answer your
1.Reefer's Best Coral Reef Salt
2. Zeolite reactor is quite important
3. No live rock may take a long time.
4.kz system is not recommended,
usually sump inside, skimmer. Zeolite reactor, activated carbon.

Suggestion: According to the rules manual, you can avoid some wrong things.
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Old 10-18-2018, 05:29 AM
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Please keep in mind that the cycle of the system with dry rocks will take much more time but basically the cycling process is the same as Jacky already has posted. UV is not compatible to the system so I would not recommend to use it. The additional algae scubber is not necessary but as long as the algae do grow it is also not a problem to use it.

Please also use the recommended cycling method just if there are no animals in the system already.

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Old 10-18-2018, 08:41 AM
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By the way, I forgot to explain the amount of zeolite used.

One liter of zeolite corresponds to 400L of water. The zeolite barrel flow should not exceed 400L/Hr.

If your purified water volume is 150L, ​​the amount of zeolite is 0.375L.

If there are no animals in the tank, pull the zeolite bucket 2 times a day/night, with bac, sponge power, start3 dose, which will reduce the nutrient salt in a balanced manner.

Knowing exactly the right range of flow, nutrient reduction is too fast - coral pressure TN, only possible to avoid some wrong things.
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Old 10-19-2018, 03:23 PM
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Welcome to the world of Zeovit G1h1k1!

Zeovit additives can be used without a zeovit reactor, and using refugiums and algae scrubber. But it will be more of an experiment, as there will be less guidelines to follow for success!

If you want to keep the refugium, maybe you can use it as a way of keeping more live rock and have it a "safe place" for copepods and such to multiply and grow.

I would advice you to get a zeovit reactor, if you can't "pump/shake" it once or twice a day, there are a few options for automation! But it takes around 10-20 seconds to shake by hand, so unless you're away from home a lot, automation isn't really necessary!

Again, welcome
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Old 10-23-2018, 05:49 AM
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Hello

I just start the "Initial 14 day cycle" without zeolite reactor today

1. is it ok just put the zeolite in the sump? or not use it

2. how can i know the cycle of system finish(done)?
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Old 10-23-2018, 10:37 AM
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Hello

I just start the "Initial 14 day cycle" without zeolite reactor today

1. is it ok just put the zeolite in the sump? or not use it

2. how can i know the cycle of system finish(done)?
1. I would highly recommend you to get a zeolith-reactor. If you don't control the flow around the zeo-stones you will most likely experience tissue necrosis, or other problems. I would not use stones without a reactor.

Without the reactor you'll most likely find that controlling NO3 and PO4 will be difficult, unless you still use your algae-reactor. In that case dosage of zeostart, and zeobak will most likely be redundant.

2. The 14 day cycle will NOT work properly without a zeo-reactor in my opinion. Plus, if you use dry rocks, it may take months until the system is stable enough for corals, even with the usage of zeo-reactor.

Usually, you will on day 10 you will add the first coral, often an SPS, but not a difficult to keep SPS, like a montipora digitata, confusa etc. If that is thriving, you can add more corals slowly.

BUT the text above is applicable if you follow all the steps in the 14 day cycle, including the zeo-reactor part
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Old 10-23-2018, 11:22 AM
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Try to answer you

1. As Blackizzz said, he clearly explains it very well. If there are no animals in the tank, you can temporarily clean them several times a day, but I suggest you follow the rules of the orthodox, which can avoid some wrong things if You have no experience.

2. The cycle is completed, the definition should be the regression of "ammonia" (I am not sure if this is "definition"), it is recommended that you use some live rock 10%, during which algae changes with the regression of ammonia and nutrients.
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Old 10-23-2018, 11:39 AM
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Thank you for your kind reply

everyone say "the zeo reactor" is quite important ...so i will try to get it, but need more time to buy it(maybe 1~2weeks)

i will start with montipora
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Old 10-23-2018, 11:42 AM
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Thank you ! your answer is really helpful to me

I just add the live rocks(3kg) into my sump (is it alright?)

about zeo reactor..we don't have a seller..so i need a time for shipment
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Old 10-23-2018, 11:46 AM
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Oh one more question

what mL is the Zeobak 1drop?

i don't have an idea drop 1.5
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Old 10-23-2018, 11:58 AM
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Thank you ! your answer is really helpful to me

I just add the live rocks(3kg) into my sump (is it alright?)

about zeo reactor..we don't have a seller..so i need a time for shipment
If you're waiting for the reactor, you could put the correct amount of stones in a mesh bag, in a low flowing area of the sump. BUT do not put in any corals in the tank before getting the reactor in that case. Or when you get the corals, remove the stones and then put in the reactor when you get it, and do the reactor at 3h on 3h off for a week After that you can turn the reactor on 24h per day. This COULD work, but there's no guarantee :/

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Oh one more question

what mL is the Zeobak 1drop?

i don't have an idea drop 1.5
I'd get a syringe and measure. Maybe you have an old one from a test kit, and you can clean it before? Otherwise around 20-25 drops are 1 ml. so 30-38 drops should be good
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Old 10-23-2018, 05:32 PM
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is it ok using used live rocks(was in the other tank) into my sump??

the reactor shipment will take 2weeks they said
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