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Old 12-16-2017, 01:23 PM
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Default Vodka and Zeovit?

I ran zeovit very successfully on my old 240G for 7 years, with undetectable nitrates and phosphates. When I set up my 400G 2 years ago I set it up with zeovit, but the results havent been there this time. Over the last year and a half since starting to add livestock, nitrates have risen to about 10 and phosphates to 1.3. Corals are colorful and I dont have any algae issues, but growth is slowed, and I want to lower them. Mostly concerned about the phosphates.

I can provide details re: my zeovit dosing, but I dose zeolites, zeofood and zeostart by the book and still have this issue. Bioload in this tank is heavier than in the old one, but not outrageous. I had a thread on possible remedies a few months back, including discussions on sources, what good I use, etc., but nothing concrete emerged.

So, is it possible to run vodka dosing long term in conjunction with zeovit? I already know zeo is a form of carbon dosing (been using it for 15 years), but vodka may help lower nitrate and phosphate to acceptable levels. Even if its not recommended, is there evidence that it can actually cause problems?

And if long term isnt viable, is it possible to vodka dose while using zeovit short term? I dont want to completely dump zeo, but vodka seems to get definitive results.

All the other solutions for phosphates are a hassle: lanthanum chloride, GFO reactors etc. and they dont address nitrates. Ill go down those roads if this is untenable, but only if I have to...
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Old 12-16-2017, 08:14 PM
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You will likely run into cloudy water problems. I would start low and see if it has any effect
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Old 12-17-2017, 12:53 AM
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Hello Arthur, is this still the actual list of fish you keep in the system ?

http://zeovit.com/forums/showpost.ph...4&postcount=28

We have already checked reactor flow, dosing etc. in your other thread but it looks like the situation has not changed.

How deep is the sand of your system ?

I know your question was completely different from what I ask but usually it does not work very well to mix different systems / methods so I can not really recommend it.

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Old 12-17-2017, 12:42 PM
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Hi...yep. Not much has changed. I have a minimal sand bed, mostlygor show: anywhere from bare to maybe an inch in some places.
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Old 12-18-2017, 05:56 AM
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nitrates have risen to about 10 and phosphates to 1.3.
When you write the PO4 level is 1.3 is that 1.3 mg/l ?

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Old 12-18-2017, 10:00 AM
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Its the Hanna checker, so yah, mg/L (ppm).
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Old 12-19-2017, 08:35 AM
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That is a lot, my guess is to much fish for the system size or the possible nutrient export with zeovit and the skimmer. I would try to find out where the massive PO4 is coming from and start working on it instead of adding additional systems / components like alcohol or absorbers as the combination of different systems usually not work very well especially if more sensitive corals are in the system.

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Old 01-01-2018, 04:14 AM
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I run full ZeoVit system for about 4 years.
I use vodka/viniger/sugar instead ZeoStart3.
Everything is great!
My Po4 is 0 via Hanna, my No3 0-0.1
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