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Old 06-21-2017, 12:51 AM
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Hi, All.

It's a sad day but I've made the decision to ditch ZEOvit. It's been a year since I've started my tank and this will be the third time I have experienced months of growth only to lose coral after coral every few days to STN until they eventually will all be gone.

I have literally tried everything. I have tested my water seven ways to Sunday. I have wasted a lot of time, money, and energy on this and now need to make the decision to just run a simpler system.

With that said what's everyone's recommendation to weening off it? I have an Algae reactor in going to use to offset any potential nutrient spikes.

Thanks,
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Old 06-21-2017, 04:09 AM
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Hello Joey, I am really sorry to hear that the situation does not get better. After having many PMs with you over the last couple of weeks I ran out of ideas which does cause the issues so your plan to stop zeovit running the system without it for some time to see if the problems do get better is a good idea.

To stop I would recommend to remove 1/3 of the zeovit, also adjust the reactor flow and slowly decrease the addition of the additives over the next 4 weeks. In the same time range reduce the zeovit quantity and adjust the reactor flow step by step to zero.

Please post a update from time to time.

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Old 06-21-2017, 11:43 AM
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Hello Joey, I am really sorry to hear that the situation does not get better. After having many PMs with you over the last couple of weeks I ran out of ideas which does cause the issues so your plan to stop zeovit running the system without it for some time to see if the problems do get better is a good idea.

To stop I would recommend to remove 1/3 of the zeovit, also adjust the reactor flow and slowly decrease the addition of the additives over the next 4 weeks. In the same time range reduce the zeovit quantity and adjust the reactor flow step by step to zero.

Please post a update from time to time.

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Thanks I will. I think my plan is as follows..

I'm going to dose the following only...
.25ml Start each day
3 Drops Bak every other day
3 Drops Sponge Power every other day
and slowly take the reactor offline.

Also use BIOMate and ZEOzym 2x weekly because I like how they keep the sand and rocks clean.

Once the reactor is offline in about four weeks, I'm going to use the space for additional live rock. I will keep a close eye on NO3/PO4. I wouldn't mind getting away with a partial system. My Nano tank runs ZEOvit with no skimmer and it's thriving.

I will keep you updated.

And yes, thank you so much for all of the PMs. I think maybe just making some adjustments so that my system runs in a natural way will be better for now.
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:44 AM
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Oh and also 2ml K balance daily.

Question about this, does the ZEOlite media suck up potassium? So once I have the reactor offline, can I reduce the dosing of it?
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Old 06-22-2017, 03:15 AM
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Keep a close eye to the nutrients while this process, it might come a day when nutrients start to increase, if that happens you need to manage it with some other kind of method.

The ZeoVit material does not absorb K+ as much as I know, this element should just be dosed depending to the test results.

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Old 06-25-2017, 09:22 PM
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So here's an update for everyone.

I've pulled out the ZEO reactor and with the additional space I have added 20lbs of fresh live rock to the sump. I will continue to dose, but for now it will only be...

3 Drops ZEOBak Every Other Day
3 Drops Sponge Power Every Other Day
2ml K+ Strong Every Other Day
3 Drops Coral Vitalizer Every Day

I'm going to let my nutrients climb a little bit. Shooting for 5ppm of Nitrate and 0.03 of phosphate. From there, I am going to see how the corals look.

Maybe a partial ZEOvit system with a little more natural approach will help me opposed to the full ZEOvit system.

Thanks everyone for your help!
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Old 06-27-2017, 08:53 AM
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So here's an update for everyone.



I'm going to let my nutrients climb a little bit. Shooting for 5ppm of Nitrate and 0.03 of phosphate. From there, I am going to see how the corals look.



Thanks everyone for your help!


maLx,
I read through your post and I'm sorry you've had problems. I had good success with ZeoVit until my system went ULN. (It's only been running for 6 months.) in 6 months, I never had a loss, RTN or STN (tissue nicrosis), then suddenly I lost a couple Acros and had RTN/STN on a few more. Lost a total of 5.

Then I came across a couple forum posts that helped tremendously. Here they are.

Potassium nitrate (Spectracide stump remover) dosing steps

https://www.reef2reef.com/index.php?...-steps.215730/


HELP! MY SPS ARE PALING AND I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO

https://www.reef2reef.com/index.php?...T-TO-DO.210035


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Old 06-27-2017, 10:08 AM
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maLx,
I read through your post and I'm sorry you've had problems. I had good success with ZeoVit until my system went ULN. (It's only been running for 6 months.) in 6 months, I never had a loss, RTN or STN (tissue nicrosis), then suddenly I lost a couple Acros and had RTN/STN on a few more. Lost a total of 5.

Then I came across a couple forum posts that helped tremendously. Here they are.

Potassium nitrate (Spectracide stump remover) dosing steps

https://www.reef2reef.com/index.php?...-steps.215730/


HELP! MY SPS ARE PALING AND I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO

https://www.reef2reef.com/index.php?...T-TO-DO.210035


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Old 06-30-2017, 01:24 AM
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Hi, Everyone.

So quick updated here. It's been a week since I pulled out the ZEO reactor and already I see a difference with my playing Montipora. It seemed to have come back with some color and hopefully in another week will be full.

Also aside from the corals I already lost, the ones that have remained strong are doing well and have nice color as well. This weekend I'll spend removing any additional corals that I lost.

I'm using the same dosing regime I have been to build up strong overall biology.

Also the tank started to use up Alk again. I burned about 1dkh from 8.3 to 7.3 in about four days. My ca reactor has been turned back on.

I will resume my 2 gallon water changes two times each week so total of about 11% water is changed each week total. I don't do this for nutrient reduction I want to make sure that I'm replenishing any lost elements. I did skip the change on Wednesday.

I also have been feeding frozen food, Selcon, and BRS Reef Chili all mixed together about 3x a day.

My nutrients have not gone up. Here's what I tested today.
Nitrate: 5ppm
Phosphate: Undetectable
Alk: 7.3
Potassium: 380
Salinity: 34

I've added a tiny bit of salt just to boost salinity and add some more elements back into the water.

Although Phosphates are not detectable, I do see a bit of small algae production on parts of the glass and the return lines. This is a good sign that the water has some nutrition in it.

Also early next week I will be removing the LED lights that I have and instead increasing 4 T5s bulbs to 6 total. I will add some supplemental LEDs later. I am doing this because I got a great deal on a 6 bulb T5 light that is dimable and I can't pass it up. Also I don't think I'll have any light problems since my LEDs only go up to 25%. I'm going to sell them and make my 600 back.

Will report another update next week.


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Old 07-15-2017, 02:01 AM
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Hi, All.

Wanted to provide another update two weeks later. So far, all corals are doing well. I have no algae issues, in fact everything is super clean. There is a bit more life forming on the rocks but very very little.

My test from yesterday came up with..

Nitrate: 5ppm
Phosphate: Undetectable
Alk: 7.5
Potassium: 380
Salinity: 34

I am still dosing on 65g water volume.

3 Drops ZEOBak Every Other Day
3 Drops Sponge Power Every Other Day
2ml K+ Strong Every Other Day
And
3 Drops Coral Vitalizer Every Day

Any tiny issues I have with corals seem isolated. All of the corals that were going pale have come back. The digitata I had that were growing algae on the tips are completely recovered. Same with the stag horn.

Last weekend I put about 5 more acro frags in. All showing PE and great color.

Next step I am adding 3 drops of ZEOfood 2x a week to increase overall biology. I will provide another update in two weeks.
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Old 07-24-2017, 06:25 PM
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Hi, Everyone.

Hope everyone is doing good. Corals are holding on and I'm seeing some growth. Small amounts of hair algae, and cyano which is good!

Attached is a Triton test and you can see that my phosphates are around 0.015.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3...lcyOHlxeEd3dlk

Here is my current dosing:


3 Drops ZEOBak Every Other Day
3 Drops Sponge Power Every Other Day
2ml K+ Strong Every Other Day
And
3 Drops Coral Vitalizer Every Day

5ml Coral Snow + 5 Drops Cyano Clean 1x Weekly
1.2tsb ZEO Zym + 5 Drops Bio Mate 1x Weekly.

Going to do this for another few weeks and see how the corals do.

Now I don't want to go and treat any numbers, but if anyone looks at that Triton test and sees anything they would change let me know!

Thanks!
Joey
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Old 07-27-2017, 01:08 PM
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Malx,
I feel for you. i was there also. Its one thing i couldn't master..... darn SPS! lol.
What i'm doing now is i also took my reactor off line, stopped dosing.
Life is less stressful now :-)

I run GFO and Carbon. I also installed a simple di-nitrate reactor and loaded my sump up with as much marine pure as i can. I went heavy on the natural biological filtration. My nitrates are undetectable... and phosphate is fine also.

I wish u a stressful life also :-)

In that article posted, This was a very good point i thought.

"LIGHT:
If you have strong strong light and you have no nutrients, you are really just stressing the heck out of the sps because there is nothing to photosynthesize. You need these nutrients, and the less you have, the lesser your light should be discourage photosynthesis. We are always told more light, more par, more pur, but in the end, if the building blocks are not there... degradation occurs. There is no reason to have a 1000 hp engine, if you have no gas to go somewhere."
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Old 07-27-2017, 06:52 PM
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Hi, Everyone.

Hope everyone is doing good. Corals are holding on and I'm seeing some growth. Small amounts of hair algae, and cyano which is good!

Attached is a Triton test and you can see that my phosphates are around 0.015.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3...lcyOHlxeEd3dlk

Here is my current dosing:


3 Drops ZEOBak Every Other Day
3 Drops Sponge Power Every Other Day
2ml K+ Strong Every Other Day
And
3 Drops Coral Vitalizer Every Day

5ml Coral Snow + 5 Drops Cyano Clean 1x Weekly
1.2tsb ZEO Zym + 5 Drops Bio Mate 1x Weekly.

Going to do this for another few weeks and see how the corals do.

Now I don't want to go and treat any numbers, but if anyone looks at that Triton test and sees anything they would change let me know!

Thanks!
Joey
What do you think your salinity is at ?
punch your numbers into here & with me guessing 26c water temp & alk @ 8 its says maybe watch that a little as its coming out at 33.3 SG /1022
https://monrecifamoi.saulme.fr/salin...e_salinity.php
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Old 07-29-2017, 01:12 AM
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What do you think your salinity is at ?

punch your numbers into here & with me guessing 26c water temp & alk @ 8 its says maybe watch that a little as its coming out at 33.3 SG /1022

https://monrecifamoi.saulme.fr/salin...e_salinity.php


I'll double check on that. I tested my SG with a calibrated refractometer and it registered at 34 so I did add a little salt to boost it up 1. I'll keep an eye on that. Good call.


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