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Old 08-14-2017, 10:09 AM
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Hello, some back ground information i started Zeovit back in February on a system that was 3 months old. I had dinos and was hoping Zeovit would help (as a big vendor sold me on this) but it made it much worse. I decided to rip the system apart and start it fresh using Zeovit from start up.

I'm looking for some good base line directions for dosing how frequent and what to dose. I am not in a rush to add corals, but i do have 6 fish going into this system over the next few weeks. Main goal is to keep levels consistent to prevent dinos or other algae issues. With 6 fish my feeding is a bit on the heavy side, 3 cubes of frozen food a day, i do rinse and strain the food before it is added.

One other question, i have read that you should never let the zeovit media hit air... directions stated to seed new media with old media but you have to take the reactor out to change the media so the old media will hit the air in doing so..

1. Gross water volume of your complete system (incl. sump etc.) - 55 actual gallons
2. Net water volume (incl. sump etc.) - 55 actual gallons
3. Are you using a CaCO2 reactor or other technique - c02 scrubber BRS brand
4. Are you using a PO4 reactor (how long, how long ago, etc.) NO
5. Are you using Ozone NO
6. Are you using UV NO
7. What skimmer are you using Yes Skimz Monzter 121
Heavy Bioload (Most Common) - 70 gallons
Medium Bioload - 90 gallons
Light Bioload - 120 gallons

8. What are your actual PO4 and NO3 levels - Still cycling
9. What are your actual Ca, Alk and Mg levels- cal 400, Alk 7.5 Mag 1350
10. What filtration method do you use Sump, filter socks
11. Type of light 2 AI Prime HD
12. What corals do you keep None at moment, SPS and some LPS is goal
13. Tissue color (light or dark) - N/A
14. How long has the tank been running 10 Days
15. Why do you want to use the ZEOvit system Zeovit systems IMO have the best colors out there.
16. Any supplemental dosing (type, amount, why, etc.) -NO
17. Live rock (how much, how old, etc.) - 30lbs ReefRock 2.0
18. Any present problems - NO
19. Problem description (tissue loss tips, tissue loss base, diatom bloom, algae, etc.) -N/A
20. What test kit do you use (how old, recently switched, etc.) Hanna, Redsea
21. Present dosing, amounts and intervals (ZEOvit, ZEObak, ZEOfood, ZEOstart, ZEOspur2, etc.) -Just following the Zeovit Manual for newly established tanks.
22. Other water parameters and water stability (salinity, temp, etc.) - 1.025 tremp 78-80.
23. Which salt brand do you use - LFS they use Instant ocean.
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Old 08-14-2017, 08:38 PM
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Yeah no zeovit does not prevent the spread of dinoflagglats. They can come back full strength the only way to get rid of them is to black out the tank of light. Nothing bad will happen to the bacteria if it is out of water for a few minutes.
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Yeah no zeovit does not prevent the spread of dinoflagglats. They can come back full strength the only way to get rid of them is to black out the tank of light. Nothing bad will happen to the bacteria if it is out of water for a few minutes.
The system was restarted no corals were brought over to the system. 8 gallons of bleach were added for 4 days... fresh water was then run for 2 days then system dried out for 2 days. Im not concerned about the dinos. An no blackouts do not work... there is a thread on r2r that i have been a part of for 2 years. Anyway...

I was looking for some advice on the start up of zeovit. As many leave this method in their review mirrors after failure and go back to gfo, i wanted to dive in with as much knowledge as possible. Whats hard with this system is knowing if you adding to little to much or need another blue bottle of some kind.

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Can you please tell what exactly you have dosed since the beginning and what your actual dosing regimen is ? Are the rocks you have used dry rock ?

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Old 08-15-2017, 06:52 AM
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Can you please tell what exactly you have dosed since the beginning and what your actual dosing regimen is ? Are the rocks you have used dry rock ?

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I have been dosing 6 drops of zeobak, 4 drops of Zeofood and 5ml of zeostart. The zeostart dosing changes tomorrow according to the directions. I have been following the zeovit manual for "newly established tanks". The rock is used, its been bleached. 55 net gallons. Thank you!

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Old 08-15-2017, 11:34 PM
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Even if you have already started the cycle I would dose as follows if there are not animals in the system already:

ZEObak: 5 ml per 100 liters/25 US gallons once
ZEOstart: 10 ml per 100 liters/25 US gallons once
Sponge Power: 3 ml per 100 liters/25 US gallons once

2 days dosing break.

Than continue as follows for the next 2 weeks:

ZeoBac 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons daily
Sponge Power 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons daily
ZeoStart 0.1 ml / 100 liters/25 US gallons 2 x daily

The quantities are based on the net water volume of the system. Also run the recommended quantity of ZeoVit (reactor with continuous flow) and the recommended quantity of carbon.

ZeoFood can be used later once if the system runs nutrient poor stabile to fine tune coral coloration.

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Old 08-16-2017, 06:06 AM
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Even if you have already started the cycle I would dose as follows if there are not animals in the system already:

ZEObak: 5 ml per 100 liters/25 US gallons once
ZEOstart: 10 ml per 100 liters/25 US gallons once
Sponge Power: 3 ml per 100 liters/25 US gallons once

2 days dosing break.

Than continue as follows for the next 2 weeks:

ZeoBac 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons daily
Sponge Power 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons daily
ZeoStart 0.1 ml / 100 liters/25 US gallons 2 x daily

The quantities are based on the net water volume of the system. Also run the recommended quantity of ZeoVit (reactor with continuous flow) and the recommended quantity of carbon.

ZeoFood can be used later once if the system runs nutrient poor stabile to fine tune coral coloration.

G.Alexander
Ok great. I do have fish slowly going in. There are 2 fish in tge system and 4 more to go. I do not plan on adding corals for 2-3 months. Should i still use you dosing?

How come the directions state otherwise?

I truly appreciate your help, Zeovit is definitely challenging to understand the effects of dosing those many kinds of blue bottles.

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If there are fish in the system already you can not use this dosage, just continue dosing as follows:

ZeoBac 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons daily
Sponge Power 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons daily
ZeoStart 0.1 ml / 100 liters/25 US gallons 2 x daily

For the next 2 weeks, than adjust the dosage:

ZeoBac 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons 3 x weekly
Sponge Power 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons daily
ZeoStart 0.1 ml / 100 liters/25 US gallons 2 x daily

If the first 4 weeks have passed replace 50% of the ZeoVit material. After the exchange dose ZeoBac daily for 10 days again keep the dosage of SpongePower and ZeoStart the same.

Here you can find the recommendation to cycle a new tank (which does not have animals already from the manufacturer:

https://www.korallen-zucht.de/pages-...t-14-days.html

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Old 08-17-2017, 06:32 AM
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If there are fish in the system already you can not use this dosage, just continue dosing as follows:

ZeoBac 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons daily
Sponge Power 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons daily
ZeoStart 0.1 ml / 100 liters/25 US gallons 2 x daily

For the next 2 weeks, than adjust the dosage:

ZeoBac 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons 3 x weekly
Sponge Power 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons daily
ZeoStart 0.1 ml / 100 liters/25 US gallons 2 x daily

If the first 4 weeks have passed replace 50% of the ZeoVit material. After the exchange dose ZeoBac daily for 10 days again keep the dosage of SpongePower and ZeoStart the same.

Here you can find the recommendation to cycle a new tank (which does not have animals already from the manufacturer:

https://www.korallen-zucht.de/pages-...t-14-days.html

G.Alexander
Great! Thank you i will check back in a few weeks.

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Old 08-29-2017, 09:31 PM
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If there are fish in the system already you can not use this dosage, just continue dosing as follows:

ZeoBac 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons daily
Sponge Power 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons daily
ZeoStart 0.1 ml / 100 liters/25 US gallons 2 x daily

For the next 2 weeks, than adjust the dosage:

ZeoBac 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons 3 x weekly
Sponge Power 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons daily
ZeoStart 0.1 ml / 100 liters/25 US gallons 2 x daily

If the first 4 weeks have passed replace 50% of the ZeoVit material. After the exchange dose ZeoBac daily for 10 days again keep the dosage of SpongePower and ZeoStart the same.

Here you can find the recommendation to cycle a new tank (which does not have animals already from the manufacturer:

https://www.korallen-zucht.de/pages-...t-14-days.html

G.Alexander
So my system has been running great.. alk 7.0-7.2 cal 420 and mag 1280 steady. Po4 is .02-.04 no3 has been a little high at 20ppm. I do have diatoms and the light brown film from the zeostart. I stopped dosing zeostart and the film is going away some. I think i will add 2 or 3 lps for now and hold off on sps untim poe comes down.

Currently following your dosing schedule. What should i dose when corals are added? I have zeofood and coral visualizer.

Thanks!

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Lets continue with the dosing regimen:

ZeoBac 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons 2 - 3 x weekly
Sponge Power 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons every other day
ZeoStart 0.1 ml / 100 liters/25 US gallons 2 x daily

The additional products you have mention are not necessary at the moment and can be used later. Additional make sure to keep the water parameters as stabile as possible within the recommended ranges.

If the first 4 weeks have passed replace the ZeoVit material as described in post #9

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Lets continue with the dosing regimen:

ZeoBac 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons 2 - 3 x weekly
Sponge Power 1 drop / 100 liters/25 US gallons every other day
ZeoStart 0.1 ml / 100 liters/25 US gallons 2 x daily

The additional products you have mention are not necessary at the moment and can be used later. Additional make sure to keep the water parameters as stabile as possible within the recommended ranges.

If the first 4 weeks have passed replace the ZeoVit material as described in post #9

G.Alexander
Zeovit is working and im very excited to see results this time around. Nutrients have dropped drastically within 2 days. At first I thought it was a fault but after running each test 3 times these numbers are accurate.

I will be buying some corals this weekend, nothing crazy 2-3 frags Nps and Lps... not sure if i will go sps yet.

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Potassium is a little bit low, 380 mg would be ideal but do not increase the level to quick if the system already contains corals.

Good luck with the new additions

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Potassium is a little bit low, 380 mg would be ideal but do not increase the level to quick if the system already contains corals.

Good luck with the new additions

G.Alexander
I'm having a hard time increasing potassium. I'm using k balance concentrate I added 2ml to my system 55net gallons once a day for 3 days with no change at all. Using salifurt test kit. Am i using the right k balance? Vendor I bought from said this would fine for my system size.

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Please keep in mind that if you dose 2 ml Ca supplement you will also not measure a increase of the systems level within a day. The concentration of potassium is very similar to Ca just to give you a feeling. Lets try to dose 2 ml 2 x daily for a week (once in the morning and once in the evening) and than repeat the test.

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