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Old 08-05-2018, 03:39 PM
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Hi All,

I have changed tanks from my last. It has been up and running for about 4/5 months.

1. Gross water volume of your complete system (incl. sump etc.) -
400L
2. Net water volume (incl. sump etc.) -
350L
3. Are you using a CaCO2 reactor or other technique
No
4. Are you using a PO4 reactor (how long, how long ago, etc.)
No
5. Are you using Ozone
No
6. Are you using UV
No
7. What skimmer are you using (type, rated water volume) -
Deltec SC1350
8. What are your actual PO4 and NO3 levels
PO4 = 0 (Hanna ULR), NO3 0.25 (RedSea)
9. What are your actual Ca, Alk and Mg levels
Ca 430ppm, 7.3dKh, Mg 1350ppm
10. What filtration method do you use (refugium, DSB, Miracle Mud, etc.) -
Full ZeoVit
11. Type of light (Watt, color temp, how old, etc.)
Orphek Altantik v3 LED
12. What corals do you keep
Mixed reef SPS frags. LPS clonies, Clam
13. Tissue color (light or dark)
See below
14. How long has the tank been running
4/5 months
15. Why do you want to use the ZEOvit system
Colours, stability, ULNS
16. Any supplemental dosing (type, amount, why, etc.)
Reeflowers F & B Colour 6ml / week to enhance colouration - stopped two weeks ago. Also NP-Plus due to being fallow
17. Live rock (how much, how old, etc.)
Base rock, new
18. Any present problems
See below
19. Problem description (tissue loss tips, tissue loss base, diatom bloom, algae, etc.)
See below
20. What test kit do you use (how old, recently switched, etc.) -
hanna ULR PO4, Saliferts, RedSea
21. Present dosing, amounts and intervals (ZEOvit, ZEObak, ZEOfood, ZEOstart, ZEOspur2, etc.)
See below
22. Other water parameters and water stability (salinity, temp, etc.)
Salinity 35PSU, K390ppm
23. Which salt brand do you use?
Aquaforest Reef Salt


Current dosing schedule:
ZV 900ml
Carbon 300ml
ZS about 1/3 full dose (fed from diluted mixture through doser)
ZB 4 drops twice weekly
SP 3 drops daily
Xtra 1ml daily
KB 4ml daily
PIF 3 drops 4 times weekly
CV 3 drops daily
ZF 4 drops once weekly
AAHC 3 drops once weekly
CS when required
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F colour 6ml weekly
B colour 6ml weekly
NP-Plus 4ml daily
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No major issues, only that some corals I bought from another reefer about 2 months ago refuse to grow, and have only just begun to base out very slowly. They are placed amongst other SPS that are growing nicely. These corals are Acropora Echinata (white/cream) and Acropora Gomezi (blue).
The A.Gomezi looks quite colourless. Wondering if I should be changing my dosing to try and help it?
Although I know it came from a tank with higher NO3, maybe they are still adjusting even now?
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Old 08-05-2018, 03:50 PM
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Old 08-06-2018, 12:20 AM
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I can not see anything problematic, I would personally stay with the korallenzucht products but have never hear about the additional products you use but I do not expect this is the problem. I would first try some more water changes, 3 x 15% within 10 days. Usually this should improve growth and also coloration if everything else is OK.

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Old 08-06-2018, 02:23 AM
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Thanks Alexander
The reeflowers are element additives, I believe based around Boron and Flouride and also contain pigments that corals can uptake. They make the greens in particular pop.
Good to know the rest of the dosing looks ok.
Will do the water changes thank you.
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Old 08-10-2018, 06:36 AM
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Hi Alexander
Some of the corals are a little darker than I would like, certainly not achieving the zeovit look.
Couple of thoughts:
I am adding more light, particularly blue spectrum to try and help.
What out of my dosing schedule would you change?
Bearing in mind tank is currently fallow as well. Should I just not be worrying about colours right now lol.

Also, does xtra darken (or brown if overdosed), lighten, or just colour up?
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Old 08-10-2018, 10:07 AM
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Normally the kz phase of the base 4 balance with the establishment of coral tissue should be light and have good growth and extension.

It may be due to the following factors, elemental imbalance, mg kh ca stability, po4 level, zeolite, light source. If there are no pest problems,

most of the factors are usually water, and then if water is close to ULNS, check for LED light source problems, spectrum problems or lighting time.

My experience with Xtra is that coral tissue is deepened with individual colors to brighten and corals are healthier.

The use of elemental additions usually works well under low nutrient salts.


Another idea is that if the corals perform well PE, k+~380, then the bb addition can lighten the tissue and bring out the coral with another soft color and red tip help.
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Old 08-10-2018, 10:38 AM
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Acropora Gomezi Coral is in the glare of my tank and it performs well.

Food7 AA does not seem to have excessive problems in your dose. There are no algae problems.

Only some of the corals I bought from another reefer two months ago refused to grow, and it was just beginning to be very slow may be a separate problem or take time to adjust to the environment.

Is it possible to use T5 to see the opportunities for coral changes? Add a few T5 white lights to assist. Maybe corals will change.
Just a suggestion

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Old 08-10-2018, 01:32 PM
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Thank you Jackie that's very informative.
Pretty sure no pests. Elements have been very stable although temperature has fluctuated somewhat.

The darkening maybe could be due to the np plus product I am using perhaps?

I can't add t5 but I am adding more led, approx 30% more light so won't change anything until a few weeks after this anyway. And will get BB soon after that and stop the reeflowers.
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Old 08-10-2018, 02:22 PM
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You are welcome.
Np plus I have no experience.
Led is just an idea. It can perform well, but I have no experience.
Bb is an idea.Do not take BB if your coral feels pressure or parameters are unstable.

Usually the program starts with "feeding", ..., color. Still according to the steps will be better

I hope that you will still have a better view of G.Alexander. After all, he has rich corals and is very good!

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Not sure if you have continued to dose them, but at the moment I would recommend to stop:

F colour 6ml weekly
B colour 6ml weekly
NP-Plus 4ml daily

The rest of your dosing regimen is looking good but lets try to change the XTra dosage to to 2.5 ml 2 x weekly, also PIF to 3 drops 2 x weekly. Both elements do darken the tissue if overdosed but in your case it can also have a different reason.

Additional light should help bet I would add more white for coloration instead of blue if possible.

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Old 08-11-2018, 02:53 AM
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May I ask G.Alexander, can I also increase the start3 dose slightly and the skimmer is more wet?
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Old 08-11-2018, 03:23 AM
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Not sure if you have continued to dose them, but at the moment I would recommend to stop:

F colour 6ml weekly
B colour 6ml weekly
NP-Plus 4ml daily

The rest of your dosing regimen is looking good but lets try to change the XTra dosage to to 2.5 ml 2 x weekly, also PIF to 3 drops 2 x weekly. Both elements do darken the tissue if overdosed but in your case it can also have a different reason.

Additional light should help bet I would add more white for coloration instead of blue if possible.

G.Alexander
Perfect thanks, dosing changes implemented. One question:
I am dosing the NP Plus to add nutrients whilst the tank is fallow. Would you recommend an alternative method?
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Perfect thanks, dosing changes implemented. One question:
I am dosing the NP Plus to add nutrients whilst the tank is fallow. Would you recommend an alternative method?
If you are willing to kz cv maybe good
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May I ask G.Alexander, can I also increase the start3 dose slightly and the skimmer is more wet?
As you already run a overrated skimmer for your system Jacky I would not recommend, otherwise you might observe thinner tissue at your corals and a reduction of growth, also the potassium level might start to drop quicker.

I would basically not recommend to dose more ZeoStart than recommended on the bottle if a system is running well.

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Perfect thanks, dosing changes implemented. One question:
I am dosing the NP Plus to add nutrients whilst the tank is fallow. Would you recommend an alternative method?
I have never used anything like this but if you have good results from it you might dose it additional but I would recommend to just use a minimal quantity. Lets try to stop dosing it for a while and observe if the corals do change.

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