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Ghiaccio1o 09-06-2018 01:50 PM

Starting new nano tank...general advices?
 
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Hello everyone,
I'm finally in the last steps of setting up my first reef tank, Zeovit way! :icon_wink

SPECS in general

It is an 80L "cube" tank, whit a custom made AIO compartment. Light will be a fluorescent/multichannel led hybrid.
Planning to gradually get a small mixed reef population including:
2 SPS (at least one plating)
2 LPS (definetely one kind of Euphylia)
2 Softy (zoas and GSP)
2 Clownfishes

First advice: Aquascaping

What do you guys would use of the following three?
In particular, i can't really figure out if those layouts would have enough surface for corals. Should i leave shadowed areas? Maybe it would be better to break the two really big rocks in more pieces?

Thanks

Bugger 09-06-2018 04:50 PM

Your going to need a lawnmover blenny to take care of algae in such a small tank

G.Alexander 09-07-2018 03:26 AM

Difficult to say as it depends to the personal taste but basically I would not build the rockwork that high and not so close to the side walls. Some reef plates which are not directly placed on the sand to allow water movement between the rocks and the sand is what I would use.

G.Alexander

Ghiaccio1o 09-07-2018 07:01 AM

mmmh...maybe i'll remove some rocks to leave more room. Currently i've got 9 kg...I've also tried to leave some space from the back wall. Should i lean more toward it?
Tank will be bare bottom BTW.

jacky 09-07-2018 08:52 AM

Ample water flows in between,
left and right glass reserved space (clean magnet brush) Everyone tastes different According to their own favorite,
scenes will grow differently with time.
Adequate flow and maintenance of water flow is more important.

G.Alexander 09-07-2018 11:54 PM

Keep in mind that corals are growing and do need a lot of space. In the beginning that might look funny to have so much space for the corals but this will usually change quick if they do grow up. But as mention before it is really a question of your personal taste.

G.Alexander

jacky 09-09-2018 01:32 PM

https://youtu.be/5Kd33z0lIvY

https://youtu.be/Z_iXU4n4fhQ

https://youtu.be/vnYSBo9S21c

https://youtu.be/zfGanSbMtsM
Look at it

Ghiaccio1o 09-09-2018 05:14 PM

thanks, nice advices and many ideas on the videos!

jacky 09-09-2018 07:02 PM

You are welcome, or you can get some inspiration from watching other people's tanks. Mainly flat abutments, staggered from each other, coral growing space, maintaining good water flow. "Sculpture" can be done according to what you like. You can also DIY or buy a landscaping stone. Looking forward to the beautiful tank in the future to share with us.

Ghiaccio1o 10-24-2018 02:37 PM

5 weeks...where to go?
 
Hellom i'll post my current Setup

1. Gross water volume of your complete system (incl. sump etc.)
80 L
2. Net water volume (incl. sump etc.)
63 L
3. Are you using a CaCO2 reactor or other technique
No
4. Are you using a PO4 reactor (how long, how long ago, etc.)
No
5. Are you using Ozone
No
6. Are you using UV
No
7. What skimmer are you using (type, rated water volume)
tunze 9001
8. What are your actual PO4 and NO3 levels
NO3= 0 PO4=0.10-0.25
9. What are your actual Ca, Alk and Mg levels
Ca=440 Alk=8.2 Mg=1230 K=300
10. What filtration method do you use (refugium, DSB, Miracle Mud, etc.)
Zeolite and Dry Rock
11. Type of light (Watt, color temp, how old, etc.)
Custom made hybrid 100w led + 50w PL
12. What corals do you keep
one small zoas and 2 small frags GSP
13. Tissue color (light or dark)
dark
14. How long has the tank been running
5 weeks
15. Why do you want to use the ZEOvit system
to supplement a biological filtration for waste export
16. Any supplemental dosing (type, amount, why, etc.)
Nyos instant plankton as food source. barely used yet
17. Live rock (how much, how old, etc.)
None
18. Any present problems
Organics unbalance
19. Problem description (tissue loss tips, tissue loss base, diatom bloom, algae, etc.)
20. What test kit do you use (how old, recently switched, etc.)
Salifert
21. Present dosing, amounts and intervals (ZEOvit, ZEObak, ZEOfood, ZEOstart, ZEOspur2, etc.)
Zeolite=160ml @60 lt/Hr
Zeobak= 1 drop
Zeostart3= 0.12 ml once daily

22. Other water parameters and water stability (salinity, temp, etc.)
Salinity= 1.024
temp= 25

23. Which salt brand do you use
Red sea Blue

I've followed the 14 days cycle (-spongepower) but i think the cycle really starter only after i've inserted the GSP, who had lot of detritus trapped between polyps. After that insertion the NO3 skyrocked to 20ppm then gradually reached 0 again. For a couple of weeks i had a brown film algae bloom:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5W...ew?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5W...ew?usp=sharing

Nitrates got to 0 but phoshates stayed around 0.25 for a couple of weeks. Then i've changed 90% of zeolites and improved the flow to around 60 kt/hr. The situations somewhat improved but not so much, especially on the rear panel. No changes in phosphates level.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5W...ew?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5W...ew?usp=sharing

Then some day ago i've tried to correct the organics unbalance whit some potassium nitrate...i've dosed the right amount to get the correct Redfield ratio for my phosphate level.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5W...ew?usp=sharing

The film started to dissolve by the first 12hr, and the rear panel completely got clean in a single night, litterally!

Now...what should i do? the Nitrates drops at a rate of about 0.5 ppm daily...should i keep dosing to mantain the correct ratio, hoping phosphates will drop too?
Should i start dosing something else? or just add some bioload?

blackizzz 10-24-2018 03:07 PM

Do you have any fish in?

Since you haven't used live rock, it might take a few months until the tank is stable enough for more difficult corals.

Lacking dosage of spongepower can be bad as well, spongepower is a great supplement for new (and old) tanks! It feeds sponges, and other microfauna, which in turn will help the tank.

jacky 10-24-2018 03:30 PM

As blackizzz said, if you don't use live rock this will take longer. Zeo SP is very good for live rock.

Is there a certain relationship between NPs? I don't know, it is recommended to change the water according to your water volume. My idea is that you should not add N or P, but instead reduce it. Is it necessary to reach the ratio that they can fall? I am not sure.


No3: The optimal ratio of po4 is about 10:1

Balance refers to the ratio, not the height, that is, no3=10, your po4 can be high and there is no imbalance, and when no3=0.3, your po4 can't exceed 0.03 (maybe, I don't know if it is correct)

But most importantly, it is currently the case to train the tank ecological bacteria system.

Ghiaccio1o 10-24-2018 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackizzz (?? 340832)
Do you have any fish in?

Since you haven't used live rock, it might take a few months until the tank is stable enough for more difficult corals.

Lacking dosage of spongepower can be bad as well, spongepower is a great supplement for new (and old) tanks! It feeds sponges, and other microfauna, which in turn will help the tank.

No, currently i have no fish...
I have 2 turbos and i have added some copepods (wich have greatly reproduced it seems) and coraline algae (wich is starting to grow).
So yeah, basically i'm not "feeding" the tank right now

I don't get what sponge power would do in my system, since i don't expect to have sponges...

Ghiaccio1o 10-24-2018 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacky (?? 340833)
As blackizzz said, if you don't use live rock this will take longer. Zeo SP is very good for live rock.

Is there a certain relationship between NPs? I don't know, it is recommended to change the water according to your water volume. My idea is that you should not add N or P, but instead reduce it. Is it necessary to reach the ratio that they can fall? I am not sure.


No3: The optimal ratio of po4 is about 10:1

Yes, Redfield ratio, corrected for NO3 and PO4 should be 7 to 13 as far as i know...

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacky (?? 340833)
Balance refers to the ratio, not the height, that is, no3=10, your po4 can be high and there is no imbalance, and when no3=0.3, your po4 can't exceed 0.03 (maybe, I don't know if it is correct)

But most importantly, it is currently the case to train the tank ecological bacteria system.

I think that bacteria grows only as far as they have nutrients...so if they're starved of N (wich they allegedly consumes x16 times faster) they would not process P anymore...
Indeed, for now i've observed just that: my system reduce NO3 to 0 but PO4 remains the same...i'll see what happens in the following weeks..

The only thing it annoy me is that water is often cloudly. Also the surface is partially covered by a thin film. cloudiness is greatly reduced if i use some perlon wool for a couple of days...
Should i correct my dosages somehow?

blackizzz 10-24-2018 06:47 PM

If I were you, I'd add my first fish, preferably a herbivore. I'm hesitant to blennies myself, but some find them good additions!

Actually, sponges will most likely form since you add any life. All it takes is one spore on a turbo shell, or such, and sponges will form. I'm pretty sure they'd find a way :P

Sponge power will also help feed other microfauna, pods, etc.


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